Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Randall Smith on March 23, 2015 at 7:28am

Got it, Joan. Thanks. And I love that photo. I'm not into that kind of lawn/garden. Just a "seed and weed" guy.

Kathy, we have pawpaw trees up here, too. I know of some in the family woods, but I've never seen actual fruit. Probably just as well. I don't like them! (And I'll eat just about anything)

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 22, 2015 at 4:04pm

Mowing and trimming that lawn would take a huge amount of time.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2015 at 3:51pm

This is a good start, from Asta Jankuniene‎ Edible Lawns.

I would get rid of the grass. Perhaps chips or ground cover, or whatever works. I can't imagine mowing this piece of ground. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2015 at 2:50pm

Barbara, where are you? Are you healthy and working hard on that very special piece of ground? 

Comment by k.h. ky on March 22, 2015 at 2:19pm
Pawpaw trees are commonly found growing wild in ky. I remember my gmother loved them. She said it was one of the few sweets she had as a child.
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2015 at 1:46pm

Daniel, The thought of you pollinating all those blossoms just makes my heart jump! What a lover of natural processes. Thinking of all those different varieties of fruits, blooming into the season, and producing their kind must be a sight to behold. 

Your experiment gives evidence, even as it is anecdotal.

I will take mental walks through your orchard. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 22, 2015 at 1:33pm

Randy, I will try sending it again. Michael Pollan On Joel Salatin's Polyface Farm

Perhaps Spud is our link to each other. He forwards Ruth's photos or videos

Comment by Daniel W on March 22, 2015 at 9:09am


The neighbors probably think I'm bonkers, going from fruit tree to fruit tree dabbing the blossoms with a paintbrush.  Since I started doing that, yields went from almost nothing to more of some varieties than we can eat.  Not proof, but good enough for me.  Maybe local insects are less active in cool wet weather.  Or there are other pollen and nectar bearing plants they like better.

Comment by Randall Smith on March 22, 2015 at 9:01am

Oh Daniel, how I envy you. I just sit and wait. And for you to hand pollinate your blossoms, amazing.

Joan, I'm having difficulting with your post/video of Pollan on Salatin. Of course, I'm quite familiar with both of them--great admirer. So's my S-I-L. Another try coming up.

Comment by Daniel W on March 22, 2015 at 7:52am

Chris, I'm excited about your garden!  I hope it gives you peace and comfort!

Don, isn't it great to be out in the countryside, where you can take part in the seasonal rhythms?

Randy, in a short time you will face the opposite, with more to do than you can handle!

Joan, I wish we were neighbors, so I could stroll down the street and peek into your garden, with all of the comforts and history that you grow.

As for me, yesterday was grafting day.  I had bought scion from Fedco in Maine, which sells 8-inch sticks from heritage varieties of apples and plums - along with the regular nursery trees, seeds, and supplies.  The scion wood came this week, so Saturday I grafted 5 varieties of apple onto a young Jonathan (actually a redder Jonathan sport, Jonared), that I planted last year.  That will give lots of pollination choices within the same tree, a long period of bearing ripe fruit, something to putter and prune, and a chance to sample the different flavors.  I also added 3 heritage plum varieties to a plum I already multi-grafted last year.   The cultivars long predate modern ones, many of which are adapted to either the California climate (stone fruit) or to industrial agriculture (all fruit, especially apples), and are disease resistant, to avoid need for chemicals - I researched each variety.   Sort of a miniature agricultural research station, all in a few trees.  The new ones wont bloom this year of course, but sometimes I get to sample at least one taste the following year, and much more in 2 years. 

Not wanting to wait for bees, I also used an artist's paintbrush to transfer pollen among varieties of peach, and among varieties of plum, and ditto for Asian pears.  Some are beginning to bloom, and others almost done.  After these, apples buds are ready to open, then cherries and my first potential little crop of pawpaws. 


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