Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 179
Latest Activity: 1 hour ago

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 9:52pm

Daniel,   I read and then re-read an article on pollination vs. self-pollination when I first decided to get fruit trees. I understand that even if tree is self-polinating it will be produce more heavily if it is cross-polinated, as appears is the case with your pears. As usual I'm a wee bit envious of you and the other serious gardeners on here. 

Joan, Thanks for additional videos. Will watch tomorrow.

I've watched three lectures (3 hours) of the permaculture site I posted before. He confirmed my original thought that permaculture is not "neat and tidy", but does look a bit messy. However, there is a method to it, a method of arranging plants together so they benefit each other. A system of helping the earth recover from all the damage we have done to it.  Love what the man said is the Permaculture Ethic: 1. Care of the Earth, 2. Care of People, 3. Share all Surplus. - and some people think - 4. Limit consumption & Be concerned about population growth. 

Chris, Have you heard of "Smart Pots"?  Because of high heat I use them on my patio area. They come in various sizes and you can even grow small trees in them. When no longer needed you simply empty them and fold up for storage. Other advantage is not having to move around heavy pots. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 8, 2014 at 8:01pm
Barbara, the persimmons and most if the peaches are considered self pollinating. The paw paws require a second variety and probably a human with a paintbrush. Paw paws are very picky, and need flies, not bees, to pollenize them, and the stigmas are only receptive before their own anthers start producing. The apples, plums, and some of the cherries require a second variety. I have been adding grafts of second varieties to some, to have that within the same tree. Figs do not need a pollenizer. Mulberries, none needed. Pears do need a second variety. I had a large crop of asian pears this year, for the first time. That may be because the pollinizing varieties ploomed and also I played the bee transferring pollen from each to the other.
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 7:15pm

Barbara, I was so impressed with what the design team accomplished, I realized there were things we could learn to suit our situations. Thankfully, you found a site that is more appropriate for our learning. I will do the same, and learn as much as I can from it.

Of course, the fellow that I learned about before Geoff, was John D. Liu

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 6:39pm

There is simply an overwhelming amount of information on the various aspects of gardening for the beginner. Three months ago the word Permaculture was not part of my vocabulary. This week I went in search of a local source of affordable classes where I could learn the basics, and none really seemed available. Instead I found this online site: https://www.openpermaculture.com/permaculture-fundamentals  I'm going to go through all the lectures in hopes of obtaining a good foundation. I like the lecture format with comments and I can do it at my pace. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 6:26pm

Barbara, I had never hear of Goeff Lawson either until I went on a hunt for information about permaculture. There are so many idea in his films, I have a notebook full of ideas that might work in my garden and with little technical skills. It looks like he has quite a good team working with him. Here is the first video I watched of him, I then downloaded #2, 3, &4.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 6:10pm

Chris, Your kitty is the same as mine :) I don't see your area as a sorry sight, rather Potential! is what I see and I imagine you are most eager to get back at it.  At least you have something to plan/dream about in the coming cold months. Container gardening begins with the very first pot!

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 6:05pm

Daniel, simply beautiful. Are they all self-polinating? 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 5:37pm

Randy, I was able to take a sneak peak at Groundbreaking Food Gardens, and it is chuck full of ideas. Many of them come through on the internet, and can be downloaded. Have you tried any of her ideas yet, or plan to. I enjoyed reading about her vertical garden using wooden warehouse pads. 

Daniel, your "little" orchard" looks like an awesome place to retire into. What a treasure you created. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 5:23pm

Chris, how wonderful your auntie can go to Spain for a week! Don't suppose you can hitch a ride and soak up some sun. Here's to good weather while she is there. And good weather for you, too. We expect a big frost to come in tomorrow, and I probably everyone will feel it the Northern Hemisphere sooner or later. Maybe the Netherlands will experience another Little Ice Age.

Your rooftop garden will welcome you in the spring and we will all have ideas for new plants and ways to grow them by then. The great winter gardening involves skimming through books of plants of all kinds. Your photo shows a scene waiting to happen again. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 1:25pm

How to Make a Food Forest Suburb, Michael Corbett used these landscape concepts 40 years ago in a condo complex.

The amazingly well-designed community, visited recently years after it was designed, evokes inspiration.


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