Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Daniel W on November 10, 2015 at 7:28pm
Joan, I fence each of my raised beds separately. If something short is growing, I use pvc pipe bent into hoops, slid onto rebar. I cover that with chicken wire. It's like a chicken wire conestoga. For taller crops, I make chicken wire fences 6 foot tall for each raised bed. That keeps out deer and rabbits.

Deer wont jump into a small space. They might jump into bigger spaces, but I dont know how big.

Each if my fruit trees has fencing about 5 foot tall. they dont browse above that height.
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 10, 2015 at 12:40pm

If I returned to the city I would design my garden to have fruit trees and berries all along the sidewalk so that people could pick and eat as they walked by. I would put a little bench and table so those who wanted to stop and rest, they would have a comfortable and lovely place to pause. 

However, I live deep in a small patch of dense forest and am designing the property taking in consideration the limited amounts of water from a well, sandy soil, wild animals wandering through on occasion, and plants that need protection from the nibbling deer and rabbits. 

Travis collected some cut logs that will make good fence post to put around the raised beds.

I need some advice from those of you experienced eith deer and rabbit inruders.

How high do I need to build the fence?

What kind of screening works best to keep deer out?

We want a light material that we can take down to mow the grass between the raised beds.

Does anyone have advice about materials that fit my criteria?

What screening material does not work? 

Comment by Daniel W on November 10, 2015 at 9:39am

Tree from seeds my Dad gave me, from the tree that Mr. Deege grew and taught me about evolution.
Comment by Daniel W on November 10, 2015 at 8:33am

Joan, isn't that amazing?

Ginkgos are partly responsible for me being atheist.  When I was about 10 years old, my parents hired me out to a German WWI veteran, who paid me to do chores.  He had a ginkgo tree in his yard that he grew from seeds.  He told me they are remnants from the dinosaurs, millions of years ago.  That planted a seed in my mind about evolution.

Decades later, the tree was still there and my Dad collected seeds for me to grow.  Those are the 2 trees in Vancouver and one tree in Battleground.   Mr. Deege's tree has since been cut down, so my trees are a way to carry its DNA forward another generation.

I also have seedlings from Vancouver ginkgo trees.  Late winter I intend to use a couple of them for rootstocks, and graft scion from my Dad's Vancouver trees onto them.  That way I have them in Battleground.  The largest is around 35 feet tall, so it will have to stay where it is.  18 years old.

The Katsura is lovely.  Can you take a start from it to  your new home?

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 10, 2015 at 3:55am

Ancient Ginkgo drops leaves like rain, Ōshika, Japan

I have a Katsura, (Cercidiphyllum japonicum) a tree native to Japan and China. Some years it drops all its leaves in one 24 hour period, as the Ginkgo does, leaving a lovely yellow carpet. 

Cercidiphyllum japonicum

Comment by k.h. ky on November 8, 2015 at 1:29pm
Daniel, that's exactly the kind of garden l would do. They can't have large trees because of all the overhead lines so fruit trees would be ideal. Maybe a couple of small ornamentals. Japenese maple or weeping pussy willow. Some berries, a vegetable patch!

I just described the yard l left in town over twenty years ago. I drive by sometimes and it's still there. The only thing missing is the phlox that covered a low rotting tree trunk.

I've wondered many times if the mower that ran over it was destroyed! Lol
Comment by Daniel W on November 8, 2015 at 11:36am

Kathy, I think the same thing, except I keep wanting people to plant fruit trees and vegetable gardens, and flowers.

I grew up in a Mississippi river town that was so humid in the summer it was difficult to breathe.  Get out of the shower and start sweating as soon as you dry off.  We did not have air conditioning.  Work days were not as long.   Most people had flowers in their yards, and vegetable gardens, and fruit trees, and shade trees.

Not as long ago, taking care of my parents there, the gardens were gone.  Many neighborhoods had fewer trees.  Fruit trees were as rare as hens teeth. 

I think what happened is many things.  With affordable, near universal air conditioning, who wants to be outdoors?  With TV, who wants to do stuff in the garden in spring and fall?  Indoor activities like TV and internet are continuously stimulating - outdoor yard work seems like work. 

I can't blame anyone for losing interest in gardening, but it seems like a major loss. 

I hope that the next generation turns around and discovers the joy and wonder of growing stuff.  Meanwhile a lot of horticultural literacy and plant genetic heritage is dwindling away.

Comment by k.h. ky on November 8, 2015 at 10:46am
I'm l the only one who looks at tiny, bare, 'postage stamp' yards in town and thinks 'I'd dig it all out and turn it into an ornamental garden'!
Comment by Randall Smith on November 8, 2015 at 7:28am

Yes, thanks, Kathy. Regular potatoes heal differently than sweet, however. I'm eating the cut ones (sweet) as fast as I can! They rot very quickly.

Today, I'm going to slow cook a bone broth mixture of potatoes, carrots, parsnips, onion, and green beans (garlic, of course). It's delicious and so good for you. Can't wait for supper!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 7, 2015 at 7:44pm

Daniel, thank you! I loved doing it; I hate leaving it; I have an opportunity to design another garden. 


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