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Comment by Joan Denoo on December 27, 2017 at 2:59pm

Moving chickens from yard to yard will require a coop, food protection, and fencing.

One option is to create separate fenced yards or use electric chicken fencing. It is light and easily moved. I am sure I would not be able to do it, but a younger person may or a stronger 80-something person might be able.  

Also, chicken electric fencing would not keep out deer, although there is deer electric fencing, I think, or I can imagine other styles of fencing.

One option would be to place permanent poles where vegetables and fruits will be grown and put portable fencing and wires strung from poles high enough to keep out the deer.

I see a lot of gardens in Newport with a high electric wire for deer, a lower electric wire to keep out rabbits, and a chicken fence below that to keep out snakes, mice, and other predators. I don't know how well it works. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 27, 2017 at 2:46pm

Deer fencing left in place makes good sense, especially since Daniel plans to put in a vegetable garden. Another advantage is the birds can be returned to the yard and clean up the summer left-overs. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 27, 2017 at 2:43pm

Spud, you are right that the ground and compost becomes frozen in the cold climates and therefore a very heavy mulch in an enclosed, covered coop helps to heat the ground and makes a place where worms and bugs hide, perfect for the birds. Especially if manure is part of the compost, and with birds, there is a lot of manure. Protected birds + manure + compost = warmth. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 27, 2017 at 2:39pm

Daniel, I like the duck yard. That is the way Permaculture manages compost and it makes great sense! Their style is to move the yard to fresh ground and ducks and chickens do all the work of spreading. When the garden grows in those plots ducks actively pick slugs and bugs off the leaves and ground. Chickens like to pick off leaves and make holes in leaves so are used less for the green garden picking.

I would like to have chickens, but I can't impose on the North Family to take over their care while I am away in the winter. I will not ask them to do it. 

Chicken tractors provide great protection for the birds and make it easier to move the flock. 

Perfect use for a doghouse, keeping food dry for the birds. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 27, 2017 at 2:28pm

Thanks, Daniel, for the Winter Solstice Infomation. Excellent!

Also thanks for your preferred seed Catalogues. I filed your list in "Seed Catalogues." 

The daffodil photo is just what I need on this winter day. Spokane gets snow that lasts all winter, usually, Denver gets no snow on the ground between snow storms, and it has colder temperatures. 

Comment by Patricia on December 27, 2017 at 2:19pm

Rick is using a tumbler for the greenhouse etc., & he really likes it. I have a container in the kitchen for vegetable peelings etc., for him to take out.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 27, 2017 at 2:15pm


I use all forms of composting, open bins, closed bins, tumblers, pits, trenches, piles, rows. I prefer piles, trenches, and rows, depending on the need. Here is site from the U of ILL, Composting Methods

If I had ducks and chickens, I would put them in a yard and put compost over the yard. They spread the kitchen waste, manure, and yard waste. You do nothing but gather it and pour in where you want it. The poultry does the rest. 

Comment by Randall Smith on December 23, 2017 at 7:13am

Daniel, I love the rustic "homemade" look of your duck pen. And to think you will be relocating it. That takes a lot of work.

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 22, 2017 at 11:08am

Daniel, can your ducks fly?  If so, how high & how far?  Those questions popped into my head when I looked at their new home.

I also wondered how they could stick their bills into the soil this late in the year, when the soil is frozen.  I keep forgetting that in the winter, you have much warmer temperatures than I do despite being quite a bit further north than me.

In the summer, I have much warmer temperatures than you.

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 21, 2017 at 10:02am

Longer days is nice, but the days are also getting colder.  It was 5F (-15C) this morning.

I don't think I'll order any seeds this year.  My freezer has all the seeds I plan on planting this year.


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