Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 179
Latest Activity: on Monday

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Broadfork Chicken MIRACLE

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Oct 8. 4 Replies

What Killed My Chicken - How To Know

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 28. 2 Replies

Polluting Yourself with Leaf Blowers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 22. 6 Replies

Willow tree

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 15. 12 Replies

Front yard gardening. Edible Estates.

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 15. 14 Replies

Archer Strawberry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 2 Replies

Deer Fence Installed! But Where's the Mulch?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Sep 6. 1 Reply

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on January 1, 2016 at 12:55pm

Daniel, we do not have rain barrels, tho we have discussed it. The aquifer from which we pump is lowering. If thaw comes slowly the snow will refresh our water source; we have heavy snows now, but the snow pack continues to be inadequate to restore the water. The coming weeks and months will tell us. However, we need to collect water from our roofs. 

I am so very content here; I honestly feel I am home. The forest was once a cedar forest, but after logging, nature replanted the mountains. 

The valley's all have glacial dust, sand and gravels; they have extraordinary fertility yielding high-quality grasses and grains. The mountains came back to life with pines and firs, crowding out any new cedar growth. Loggers consider pines and firs  "weed trees"; they have shallow roots and grow tall, making good telephone poles. 

Laurie, my granddaughter, has strong, steadfast young partner. He is the one who offered to build and created our terraces to the south of Laura's home. His father cut timber his whole life and Zac grew up at his father's elbow, logging and operating in forests. Zac offered to help me get some cedars started. My hope is to manage the growth and restore the old timber. That huge cedar root bulldozed off this spot and that I can see from my bedroom is a reminder of a once grand forest. 

Thank you for the information on water storage options. I like your idea of hooking up smaller barrels in a manifold arrangement. That would work on our raised bed because they are downslope from the house. We could collect water from the shed for greenhouse tank.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on January 1, 2016 at 11:39am

Joan, I'm very glad you are happy.  I have worried about the changes that you have had to make, and how they affect you.  I think the rustic life has a great deal to offer, and can be so much more rewarding than urban or suburban life, if someone has the temperament for it.  Which I do too.

I have a question - I assume your water is from a well.  Are you also storing rainwater?

Here in the summer, watering the garden is probably 90% of our water use.  I expect next year to be hotter and more dry.  Our well  has a great deal of sediment, slows the flow and requires filtering to be palatable.  The filters clog and need frequent replacement.  Rain water stored  for gardening would add months if not more to the life of the filters.

I put  in one 50gal barrel.  It filled up in one afternoon of drizzle, and drains only about 1/4 of the roof .  I already had that barrel, moving it from the old house.

I was thinking about one of these - about $100 for 275 gallons, plus $35 for the fittings. I think these are used in food manufacturing, and are listed as food grade.  I could hook up smaller barrels in a manifold or bank, but more work and parts might cost as much.  Above ground only, and only for gardening and chickens.  Although the water is much more pure, no salts, no sediment, but maybe impurities from dust / bird waste on the roof, and algae may grown in it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 1, 2016 at 8:49am

There are no birds at my feeder either. Yes, we know what is happening, and if some are correct, there is nothing we can do to stop it. I believe we can change global warming, and I do not think enough people will understand. They will find scapegoats, i.e. immigrants and refugees.

If we can't stop global warming is there a way we can live civilly with each other? Laura and Larry did not move to the NE WA forest as survivalists; they just wanted to raise their daughters in a slower paced environment. I moved here because I needed help with daily things that I can no longer do for myself. 

I am profoundly happy!

Comment by Randall Smith on January 1, 2016 at 7:52am

Holy Cow! Cherry blossoms now. I see that my silver maple tree is budding. Not good. And I've seen dandelions bloom. One more thing: I haven't had any birds at my bird feeder--nary a one. What's going on? Not that I don't already know the answer.

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 1, 2016 at 12:24am

Ruth, this scene is not good news! Even as it is beautiful! I wonder what the trees will do during "normal" blossoming time? 

Daniel, keep me up to date on your season's progress, please. I am keeping track of regular and current events from friends around the globe.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on December 31, 2015 at 11:43pm
Wo. I have been anxious about my fruit tree buds. I dont want them to break dormancy then succomb to a freeze. DC is probably warmer than here.
Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on December 31, 2015 at 8:27pm

Cherry blossoms Tuesday in DC, folks.

image source

My Hellebores are blooming in Bensalem, just north of Philly. (sorry no pics)

Comment by Plinius on December 24, 2015 at 8:41am

Spud had internet problems - I hope that's all and he'll be back soon.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on December 24, 2015 at 7:53am
Kelly, welcome to godless in the gatden!
Randy, I also miss spud. Im concerned about his absence. Barbara, too.
Comment by Randall Smith on December 22, 2015 at 7:29am

Thanks for the warning, Daniel. I figure winter rains and snow will dilute it sufficiently by planting time. My dog "helps" out, too!

Joan, I just love your take on life. It's inspirational.

I miss Spud's input. Wonder where he's been?

Happy solstice to all my garden group members. Be well.


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