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Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

Discussion Forum

DIY Green House and a Chicken Coop?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jul 22. 2 Replies

Cover crops: Gabe Brown

Started by Joan Denoo Jul 19. 0 Replies

Geodesic Dome Greenhouses

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 17. 1 Reply

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Comment by Joan Denoo on Saturday

Daniel, It is fun to work with nature instead of fight it. Yes, it is work, but it is worth it, at least it is when I am able to get out of this wheelchair and actually do something other than think and design, although, I like to do both. 

Larry and Laura bring me ripe tomatoes from the greenhouse and they are delicious. I learned a lot this year, and last, on what to do and not do in a greenhouse. I expect to be on my feet next week and I have a list of things to do. 

One thing, beginning July 16, Carl's (The Flying Atheist's) birthday, it is time to start to spray the vegetables with an Epsom salt drench: spray every 3weeks with:

One (1) gal water: one (1) T Epson salt

Drench plant and soil every 3 weeks. 

Comment by Daniel W on Saturday

Joan you are right of course.

Im happy to have space and resources to garden despite populations of herbivores.  Ive learned some ways to reduce harm, and prioritized what to plant where.  For example, this year I planted 3 new chestnut trees. Before I planted them, I gathered materials and made hardware cloth sleeves for vole protection, and taller fencing for deer protection.  As they grew, I extended the fencing upwards.  In a year or to, I think they will no longer need any protection.

I know to construct chicken wire "tunnels" for young sweet corn plants and youn garlic and onions.  When taller, I remove the tunnels.

The plan for this winter is to construct a cage for the blackberry  bed, with fencing on the sides for rabbits and deer, and on the top for birds.  One can ask, do I want berries that much?  But the effort and expense are not that bad.

The fenced raised beds will get some modifications this fall and winter for easier management.  Talker sides for easier planting, weeding, hoeing, and further apart so I can use riding mower for paths.

This week was our first zucchinis and summer squash!  It is summer!  More potatoes and onions, too.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 22, 2017 at 4:57am

Thanks for wanting to help me, I can't find my notes I made when we discussed this before, Sandbox doesn't have the ratios, and even Seri couldn't give me the answer. I knew I would want algebra some day. Well, that doesn't matter, I can't add, subtract, Multiply, or divide any more. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 22, 2017 at 4:11am

Part two:

They eat arborvitae so either fence them or allow the critters to eat as high as they can and the gardener manage the tops. There is a farm on Hiway #2 that has a hedge of arborvitae at last 75 feet long. They just let the animals limb the branches as much as they like and then the gardener keep the tops neatly pruned. It is kind of attractive to my eye. 

Since these plants need protection from critters and frost and they need more safekeeping, perhaps all bean plants, carrots, peppers, and tomatoes. should be in a greenhouse of a more permanent protectionbn 

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 22, 2017 at 4:10am

Daniel, it seems you have your design created for you. 

Because critters don't bother evergreens, maples, or ginkgos, they can be planted wherever you want them.  

Nor do they bother collard greens, turnips, radishes, pumpkin, or squash plants, and so you need no caging for them.  

If the plant is above a foot tall, critters don’t bother corn, onions, garlic,  or potato plants. These need early protection and perhaps a small covering would work. 

Since critters do limited tasting to mulberries, fig trees, and lindens, perhaps they could be grouped together with a light weight wire or a fence, or spread over the property and with individual fences.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 22, 2017 at 12:01am

Mycorrhizal Fungi: The World’s Biggest Drinking Straws And Largest ...

"the mass of mycorrhizal fungi on the planet is estimated to be somewhere between 1.4 and 4 tons per person. "

"Plants depend on mycorrhizal fungal filaments to supply them with a stunning proportion of their needed water and minerals. In some forests, these fungi provide the plants with up to 80% of their nitrogen and 90% of their phosphorus. The fungi, in turn, depend on plants to provide them with organic compounds needed for their own growth."

Comment by Idaho Spud on July 21, 2017 at 11:33am

Funny sign Don.

Comment by Daniel W on July 21, 2017 at 10:00am

Joan, I hope someone else can tell you.  The function for editing size seems to have disappeared from my browser.

Comment by Daniel W on July 21, 2017 at 9:35am

Western mule deer are voraceous and prolific.  Feeding them attracts them.  We discussed electric fencing butbit would be expensive.  Most deterrents dont work or are temporary.  Fencing is the main protection, or just grow things they dont eat.  Here they usually dont browse above 5 feet alhough they eat favored branches up to 7 feet by standing on hind legs.  sprinklers dont deter them.  they eat most young fruit trees, and many vegetables, to near oblivion.  deer in washington state

rabbits also can take an entire row of young beans, sweet corn, onions, overnight.  Voles kill young trees during tge winter by chewing off all of the bark.  Screening sleeve works above ground but they also use mole tunnels to do the same underground. 

My young fruit trees are in cages that work pretty well, but with 50 trees is a challenge.  Ive removed cages now for taller cherries and plums now, 6 years old trees.  that maked maintenance easier.  Dwarf apples may always need cages.  I think I can de-cage the persimmons in another year or two.  They dont bother the older fig trees a lot, just minor damage.

Joan, that is all at the Battleground place. 

Ive learned pretty much what needs protection or what doesnt, although sometimes I get surprises.  I have no problems sharing with wildlife, but they often take it all.

Here, they dont bother evergreens, except arborvitae, they dont touch maples, or ginkgos, limited tasting of mulberries, fig trees, lindens, and I havent given them a chance with my chestnuts.  They dont eat pumpkin or squash plants, or corn above a foot tall, onions or garlic above a foot tall, or potato plants.  They completely destroy all traces of all bean plants, carrots, peppers, some tomatoes.  They dont bother collard greens, turnips, radishes.

Comment by Don on July 21, 2017 at 8:13am

 

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