Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Bead Bum on April 5, 2017 at 5:02pm

Hi everyone,
Are there any indoor hydroponics growers here? My husband and I recently set up an indoor growing station and are using the Kratky method. Right now we’ve got romaine, greenhouse mix lettuce, spinach and basil growing. We were pleasantly surprised at how fast the lettuces took off. I’m keeping a growing journal and taking pics regularly. Everything was looking great 3 days ago, but today there are brown spots on some of the romaine leaves, and I think I’m in mourning, lol. I’m posting some pics that show the growth stages from 3/11-4/5 and a couple from today of the brown spots. I think it may be a mold of some kind, but haven’t been able to determine for sure. Anyone have experience with this, advise or ideas? Do you think it’s okay to eat the romaine after removing the affected leaves? Thanks for any input you might have! *We're now thinking this may be rust.













Comment by Daniel W on April 3, 2017 at 1:51pm

This might be a better video. I think it's the one I originally watched a couple of years ago.

Comment by Daniel W on April 3, 2017 at 1:50pm

I made pretty much exactly this unit. I cap off the ends with Al foil. It has 2 CFL bulbs, I think 14W.

Our spring is very cool. I'm just starting tomatoes and peppers now. When I start them too early, the ground is cold and they sit there and sulk, sometimes never do take off. I also have a triplet of kitchen undercounter type cheap fluorescent fixtures, I think 12W.
Comment by Thomas Murray on April 3, 2017 at 10:42am

Idaho Spud and Don.

Thanks for the tip and advice.I do have a sliding glass door to start my plants and will add fluorescent lights.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 3, 2017 at 6:59am

Oh yes.  Big sunny windows are great.  I don't have them, so in the past, I've put my plants in the east window, then moved them to the south window, then the west window.  

Didn't take long to get tired of that, so I started using grow lights in the bathroom.  

Two years ago I purchased a used cold frame, and that's what I start most of my plants in now.

Comment by Don on April 3, 2017 at 6:52am

My asparagus bed is some 30 years old.  Its production has been declining for about five seasons now, but it still provides enough for two from about May 20 to July 4, when I stop cutting.  This year I plan to replant about half of it, setting 15 new crowns.  

Comment by Don on April 3, 2017 at 6:35am

Grow lights are quite helpful, no doubt, but I have been starting plants successfully without grow lights for more than 30 years.  I have big, sunny windows facing the southeast.  These days I use an inexpensive indoor "greenhouse" that helps hold in moisture and warmth, but for many years I just placed the trays on the window sill, where they do just fine. 

You do have to harden off any started plants with some care outdoors as the transplanting time nears. I place my trays on a Garden Way carts that I can move into shelter overnight and when it rains. 

It is a little late now to start plants.  I garden in northern Vermont, where I still have three feet of snow on the garden.  I plant my squash, tomatoes, leeks, basil and so on generally in mid-March.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 2, 2017 at 12:49pm

I don't have the greenest thumb here so anyone else feel free to correct me or make additions to my advice.

Thomas, once your plants start to show, you need growing lights to give them a healthy start.  Fluorescent lights work fine.  Keep them as close to the top of the plants as practical to give them enough light.  

Before you transplant them outside, they should be acclimatized to the outdoors over several days to get them used to more light and wind.  At first put the containers outdoors in sheltered locations for several hours. Every day, put them outside in locations that have more sun, and for longer periods.

You can get them used to the wind indoors by using a fan if it's practical.

Comment by Thomas Murray on April 2, 2017 at 12:03pm

 Green Thumbers,

I can't find the answers to my questions on line or in gardening books so I'll ask here.

Is it necessary to have growing lights to start seeds?

I've checked the prices for some growing lights and they are expensive, or can I use regular florescence lights?

I am starting seeds indoors and then transplant them outside.

Comment by Daniel W on April 2, 2017 at 10:48am

I gave up growing asparagus, but there is one shoot out there now.

Randy thats fun, having a wild turkey there! 

We have a lot of owl hooting but so far none in the owl nesting box that I put up.

Sunny today.  Maybe plant onion seedlings.

Plums and peaches blooming now.  Lots of tiny insects seeking nectar.  No bees.  We will see if the native insects pollenize.


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