Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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Comment by Idaho Spud on June 28, 2017 at 5:43am

While walking yesterday, I found a snake.  Too bad it had been flattened by a car.  Don't think it would help my garden much.

Comment by Thomas Murray on June 26, 2017 at 11:35am


The reason I asked abt cancer and humans is because sharks never get cancer, and on the same page I either heard or read that cancer is exclusive to humans. Not knowing if this was an urban myth or a fact, thus my reason for asking. However, just today my research showed that sharks do get cancer, but naked mole rats do not. Even when scientist artificially inject cancerous cells into mole rats, mole rats were able to suppress the growth. Also one in 5 humans get cancer but olny 5% of elephants get cancer.


..."Known as p53, it is a tumor suppressor." ....

It was said the more animal have of this p53 gene, the less likely to develop cancer.


It seems that every person on earth have some relative that got cancer...either survived or passed away. My wife's father died from cancer (he was a smoker plus he came from coal polluting China), her cousin died from stomach cancer in Ireland. For some reason, Ireland has some of the highest cancer rates in the world....this was what I was told. I just skipped through the web site and it is frightening.


Of my own family, the 11 of us, only one brother got cancer. He was a heavy smoker since middle school. My cousin got cancer which was treatable.... she refused....it was as if she was thankful that she didn't have to find a way to kill herself.

I am going to stop this now because this group is abt gardening, not cancer. I am sorry for bringing this up on this forum.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 25, 2017 at 3:08pm

Randy, I know what you mean about weeding. I am a lazy lady and use every technique I can find to make it easier. 

I started watching this family because of their gardening techniques when there smallest child was very young and in diapers. The children grow so fast.

They converted a school bus and are on nationwide tour of permaculture gardens and farms. Justin Rhodes and his family work as a team and get lots of work done and have fun while they do it. 

His Permaculture Garden Needs ONLY 2 Days of Work;


To weed or not to weed, what would be Sepp's answer? RSS feed;

This isn't for gardens, but for farms, but I refer to it from time to time: 

Unnatural Selection: Why Encouraging Weeds May Be Good Farming (Video);

Practical Permaculture – The Art Of Weeds;

Q. This next one had me stumped; what is lucern? 

A.  lucerne (alfalfa hay) bales 

So, here is the site: 

No Dig Gardening;

Comment by kathy: ky on June 25, 2017 at 12:42pm
Joan, I enjoyed your story about the hollyhock seeds. Every gardener I've ever met has been happy to share their seeds and tips for raising things. Hollyhocks bloom every year in ky.
We had torrential downpours for 48 hours with roads closed due to flooding. Yesterday was beautiful and so is today. Very low humidity with a cool breeze. If my foot wasn't hurting so much I would be out pulling weeds. I'll go out later today and pull a few and check for powdery mildew. I'm taking the small hand sprayers with me. Water, apple cider vinegar and a couple of drops of dishwashing liquid goes a long way as a preventative. We have such a humid climate it's easier to prevent than try to cure. Working such small areas has benefits. But two acres is still a lot of ground to cover.
Comment by kathy: ky on June 25, 2017 at 12:29pm
Thomas, I've tried growing in hay with the same results as Daniel. Poor. I just don't think they get the nutrients that they get from the soil and the moisture varies to much.
My blackberries are large and pretty this year but the birds usually get them. I don't have the time to cover them and there are so few of them it's not worth the trouble.
As for the painting the latest studies I've read say exercise is good for arthritis and could prevent the knee replacements that are so common.
Daniel, when I broke my small toe a couple weeks ago I also broke a bone in the bottom of my foot. Icepacks are a regular treatment in the evening after I've been walking on it during the day. Or,worse, when I have to go to the grocery store. I've on gone once in the last two weeks and the electric carts were all in use.
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 25, 2017 at 12:10pm

Thomas, that is an interesting question; I don't know the answer so I started a search, and the search is not over. 

I did find this: 

"Cancer mortality is higher among men than women (207.9 per 100,000 men and 145.4 per 100,000 women). It is highest in African American men (261.5 per 100,000) and lowest in Asian/Pacific Islander women (91.2 per 100,000). (Based on 2008-2012 deaths.)"

It is highest in African American men (261.5 per 100,000) and lowest in Asian/Pacific Islander women (91.2 per 100,000). (Based on 2008-2012 deaths.)"

lowest in Asian/Pacific Islander women (91.2 per 100,000). (Based on 2008-2012 deaths.)"

No, your question is not inappropriate! This is the place to ask such questions. We may or may not know the answers, and we surely like the search process. 

May I ask what prompted this question? 

Comment by Thomas Murray on June 25, 2017 at 12:00pm

Joan & Daniel,

I hope its not inappropriate question but here goes....

Is cancer indigenous to humans?

My mother in law suffers from chronic attacks of arthritis...the attacks occurs in both her hands. She is a self taught painter and she does portraits, landscape, and flowers.

She wont give up painting.

I remember during our visits to her home that in the mornings she will wrap her hands around a hot curling iron for about 30 minutes , each hand. She refuses medicine.

She is a very strong woman. She is a person I admire and respect very much.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 25, 2017 at 7:17am

I'm pretty fortunate not to have many aches and pains. Arthritis in the thumb joints and an occasional back ache is about all I suffer from. I'm not sure whether to recommend more or less exercise, more or less "resting". I know I'm not one to sit still, and, so far, it seems to work for me.

My garden is looking fairly good. Lots of weeding (hoe and hand) is now necessary. Hopefully, I can soon quit covering my 35 sweet potato vines, canteloupe, and cabbage plants every evening so the rabbits won't eat them.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 25, 2017 at 12:33am

Daniel, working hard offers many benefits, especially as we get older, we have the right to sit down and enjoy the fruits of our labors.  Baked Alaska is not one of the benefits! 

You are on a powerful cancer Rx, Daniel, a new normal becomes painfully clear. There will come a moment in your life, if it hasn't happened already, when you will see yourself as resting more, taking easier projects, and not expecting as much of yourself as you have demanded of yourself in the past, and still see yourself as an incredibly valuable human being. You don't have to prove anything, anymore. 

Your efforts to get through med school, of working in a hostile environment, of being exposed to discrimination for being who you are, all have been strong drivers for you. Now, just lay back, let the younger generation take on the workload, and enjoy your time. 

Just think how many challenges you faced in life! You not only met those tasks, you proved yourself to be the kind of person that makes a difference in lives.   

Soak away, dear friend! 


Comment by Joan Denoo on June 24, 2017 at 8:38pm

P.S. No neck work from a chiropractor or anyone else! The mere thought of cracking my neck sends shivers down my spine. 


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