Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 8, 2015 at 1:08am

Daniel, thank you for that photo of blossoms! Is it a Kwanzan cherry? 

Comment by Daniel W on March 7, 2015 at 7:59pm

Joan that is so beautiful.  I love how you include your geographic history in your description.  It adds so much depth to the meaning.

For those who are in the midst of winter - you are not far behind here.  If we are getting bloom, you will soon.

Comment by Randall Smith on March 6, 2015 at 8:34am

Nice pictures, Joan.

Good info, Daniel. I get the peach leaf curl disease, too.

Comment by k.h. ky on March 5, 2015 at 7:37pm
Joan, can I come live with you. Lol Not only is the weather better the parks are close.
Our snow topped out at 25''during the twelve hour storm.
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 5, 2015 at 10:56am

Because I live on one of those pancake-like lava flows that make up the Columbia Plateau Basalts, my ground is in a dip in the pancake. Cold coming down the mountain settle in my garden as it moves down into the Spokane River valley. This little patch holds the cold air when ground around this neighborhood is frost free. 

This is a lovely spot. In the days of the Native migrations, Indians camped on this little depression because there were many wild berries and bulbs, including camas. The ground is swamp like because the snow melt from Brown's Mt. flows underground to what is now Manito Pond. Ground water used to surface in my spot until the city grew upslope toward the mountain. There are many ponds that remain. Lots of wild birds, especially the migratory geese and ducks although the blue birds are long gone as well as many other species. We have the first frost of autumn and last frost of spring. 

Manito Pond, one block from my home

Japanese Garden, about six blocks from my home

Columbia River basalts underlay these features. Their natural springs used to dry up in the hot summers and the city now keeps them at a constant level with city water.  

Manito has several formal gardens designed by the men who designed NY city's Central Park. Olmsted Brothers. Here is one of their treasures. 

Their designs included both formal and wilderness gardens with many little pockets with benches and chairs among the beautiful scenes. 

Comment by Daniel W on March 5, 2015 at 8:40am
It can be very difficult to find locally appropriate fruit trees. We may have lost many varieties with the nationalization of fruit tree nurseries. New development is especially strong in California. California varieties are often not suitable anywhere else.

Peaches are a good example. In my wet cool maritime clinmate, basically all California peach trees succomb to peach leaf curl disease. It took me many years to figure that out. As far as I can tell,there are only 4 peach varieties that resist that disease. I have all four, one still gets it fairly bad. I dont know how the others will do.

The other thing with peaches is they bloom early. A warmspell can stimulate them to bloom, then a late frost kill them. Apricots are even more sensitive to that - all of my spricot attempts have been killed by frost after they left dormancy. Ditto for an aprium.

There are catalog varieties that claim to overcome these challenges. I dont know how good most of them are. I research each variety before I try it. In some cases that works out.

If a neighbor had a productive, late blooming, disease resistant peach, I would beg for some seeds. As it is, I sm still trying. Peaches are said to bear in 3 or 4 years from seed.
Comment by Randall Smith on March 5, 2015 at 7:27am

Yes, Joan, I've seen Daniel's "addition". Very nice.

I have several apple trees. I refuse to prune them, and they seem to produce an abundant supply. I'm still working on 2013 apple sauce!

Our weather forecast shows a nice rise in temperatures next week--up to 50. Hurray!

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 4, 2015 at 11:55pm

I know what you mean Randy. I cut down my fruit trees because we always a late frost that killed the blossoms and I could use my city lot for other things upon which I could rely upon. My neighbor has a Granny Smith apple that lops over my fence and I was able to get a good harvest from that last year. Her yard is all grass with that one tree. My lot has not one blade of mowable grass and the rest is into herbs, vegetables, fruit bushes. So, she can grow the apples.  
We expect another snifter of snow ... nothing to shovel, but it doesn't melt during the day, except where the sun hits it. Expecting warmer weather next week.  

The weather being so unpredictable, I don't know what to do. I guess just do the things that I would normally do and then replant or plant something different. I want as many perennials as I can get. The self-sowers give me good results.   

Randy, have you seen Daniel's new stone front sidewalk and planting and sunroom? That is an inspiration.   

Comment by Randall Smith on March 4, 2015 at 7:32am

This could be the second year in a row I'll have little or no fruit crop, esp. peaches (and relative nectarines and almonds). I've observed over the years (and it's been substantuated) that below freezing temperatures radically affect the summer crop. And this has been another horrifically cold winter.

Usually by now, I have my garden all plotted out on paper. Nada. We need to have a warm spell to get my juices flowing. This is maddening.

Comment by Daniel W on March 3, 2015 at 9:13am

Bertold - true. 

Barbara - hope you are well!

Randy - Your bees must be very happy!  My Asian persimmon is 7 foot tall now - time will tell if it has a few flowers this year.  The new addition is a "Yates" persimmon, a Dyospyros virginiana cultivar, also called "Juhl",  originally from Indiana, reported as not needing a male pollinator.  At 18 inches tall, I'm not expecting much for a long time.  Your linden probably gives many pounds of nectar.

This is info about Chinese Haw - and fruit.  I'm curious if it will bloom this year.  It's about 5 foot tall, 2 years old.  Should be similar flowers to the regular hawthorns, and I hope, of course, the bees like them.


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