Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Started by Dominic Florio. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 15 Replies

Permaculture thinking and skills for youth

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 24. 3 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on March 21, 2017 at 12:24pm

Daniel, I use a soil thermometer also.  I never jump the gun anymore.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 21, 2017 at 12:16pm

It looks and feels like spring here in Pocatello, so I'm trying to get gardening up to the top of my list.

Yesterday, as usual, the news peeps were saying it's the first day of spring.  No offense to anyone here that has said it, but it annoys this curmudgeon to hear people say it's the first day of spring, when looking at things practically, some parts of the USA are still frozen, and other parts are hot.  To me, spring comes when it comes, and it comes at vastly different times, depending on where you live.

Comment by Daniel W on March 21, 2017 at 12:14pm

finishing sentence -

I do use a soil thermometer to guide me, and don't plant unless the soil is warm enough for that species for at least a week.

Comment by Daniel W on March 21, 2017 at 12:13pm

Spud, I think they'll grow just fine.  Three inch sprouts are more than I aim for, but I've had sprouts much longer and they grew and produced.  They must have the same supplier as here, the packaging is exactly the same.

Joan, thank you for the quote from Joseph Campbell.  I need that reminder to go for my bliss.  I guess I was doing that yesterday when I was outside grafting various varieties onto my fruit trees, even though I certainly don't "need" them.  Next, moving into a phase aimed lest towards trying (adding) new stuff, and more towards maintaining and other types of puttering.

Randy, good luck with the new fruit trees!  I hope you find some good ones.  Wow, 50 wheelbarrows of soil!  That took some determination!  Sort of like me with my blackberry thicket, and the results will be worth it!

Oh, farming by lunar cycles!  I don't follow it.  Here is one writer's explanation of why it might be helpful, as far as using the moon as a sort of calendar to help guide us, but not attributing any special properties to the moon's cycles.  I have often thought about using phenology to plant, such as saying "Plant corn when oak leaves are the size of a squirrel's ears".  That lets the trees and flowers take the soil temperature and other natural influences, is regionally better than strictly following the calendar.  My problem is I get antsy and jump the gun, planting too early.  I do use a soil thermometer to

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 21, 2017 at 11:12am

I spotted these seed potatoes at WinCo today and decided to try growing some this year.  I should have opened the package and checked them out, because when I got home, I saw that they had 3 inch sprouts.  I would have checked several boxes and chose the one with the shortest sprouts.  Well, they will probably do OK anyway.

Comment by Randall Smith on March 21, 2017 at 7:37am

Daniel, Farmland is about 80 miles from me, due East. A little too far to drive, taking 2 hours one way. But thanks for the "heads up"!

This afternoon, I'm off to find fruit and nut trees for my "hole" I've filled up (with over 50 wheelbarrow loads of soil). I'm thinking four will do it. Still haven't decided what I'll get. I'll know when I see them. Rural King, Lowe's, and a local greenhouse carries fruit trees.

Joan, I didn't mean to sound so skeptical and close-minded about lunar phases determining planting dates. With a science based mind (reason and logic), such lunacy (pun intended) is too farfetched for me, sort of like astrology. I have a college educated farmer friend who swears by planting according to the moon. It's a lot like praying: when it works, prayers are answered; if not, well, God works in mysterious ways (etc.).

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2017 at 11:49am

Daniel, a beautiful painting. I am curious about the taste and texture of this variety and look forward to your reports as it matures for you.  That news of having the "best vegetable garden ever" and good development of your trees raises my spirits and I will know it raises yours, too.  

With all the news, the soil in the greenhouse encourages me to keep doing what I am doing and laugh a lot. Love as if it is the last day of my life, encourage others to reach for their dreams. Don't hold back, go full throttle. "Follow your bliss." (Thanks for reminding us, Joseph Campbell.)

Find a place inside where there's joy, and the joy will burn out the pain. Joseph Campbell

~ Joseph Campbell

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2017 at 11:37am

Randy, I can find no valid research on moon planting but lots of anecdotal papers. I don't trust the papers if the people who wrote them have no data to demonstrate the moon phase affects seed starting. There is a lot of unreliable information out there. 

It would be an easy thing to study. Just plant some seeds according to the lunar calendar and plant seeds from the same packet on times that the lunar calendar says not to plant. Keep track of the time it takes to sprout and record it.

I'm not interested enough to do the technical task. Maybe someone else is. I just don't believe planting according to moon phases is valid.

HOW one plants seeds is valid and reliable, the test of good science. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2017 at 11:15am

Randy, good point about losing faith in the article because of lunar cycles! I ignored that thinking it was irrelevant.Maybe it is relevant. I wonder what the research says? It seemed to me the article fit my understanding of starting seeds. 

Daniel, what is your assessment of the planting guide? Or anyone who is interested. 

My favorite garden store in Spokane has a section on lunar cycles. I just don't pay attention to it. 

Thanks for calling this to my attention. 

Comment by Daniel W on March 20, 2017 at 10:05am

Spud, I just plant them.  The potato goes about 4 inches deep and the sprout points upwards.  I don't worry about it too much and they usually do fine.  The sprouts should be an inch or less, not as fragile when small.


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