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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 15, 2017 at 2:13pm

Thomas, it sounds as though think of planting a small grove of these three trees. 

I did grove planting in my garden because I was limited to 50' x 100'. I had already figured out the sun patterns, both summer and winter, and created a path of sunlight where I had all trees cut down. It left a narrow patch about 50' x 50' to grow my vegetables, but I had maximum sun and also had the trees I wanted. I was able to feed my family from that space. I canned, froze, dried, and fermented produce so we could eat all winter long from that season's crop. I also had a huge compost in a shady part of the garden. It was taller than my 5', was 4' deep, and 12' long. A major task each spring was sifting and spreading the compost. 

After my three children were grown and gone, I took out the vegetable space and planted trees, shrubs, and vegetables as ornamentals. I was the only one eating off the space and had more than enough sun to get fruits and vegetables. 

My back yard July 20, 2014

My garden began to go downhill in 2013 when I spent a year fights against cancer, as did Daniel. His gardens grew even finer since then; mine did not. 

Comment by Daniel W on June 15, 2017 at 2:11pm

Joan, interesting permaculture related video.  I was intrigued by the seaberries.  I've seen them in catalogs.  We have space for a few more shrubs, although I don't want to plant more expensive deer food.  Maybe I'll put them on my list next year.  Also, they are need both male and female plants, so the investment is more.

Randy, I only take photos of the parts that I like :-)  there are lots of weedy areas.  My persimmon flowers are not open yet, and it's still chilly and rainy.  Next week?

Rainy and chilly today, and having more pains.  I'm taking a break today.

Photo is the first ginkgo tree that I've been able to grow by grafting scion from a desired tree, a male that grew from seeds by late dad had collected 20 years ago, to rootstock grown from locally collected seeds.  Of three attempts, this is my sole success.  Fortunately, it is thriving, and all of the growth is the scion from my dad's tree.  The photo below that is the tree that provided the scion.

Comment by Daniel W on June 15, 2017 at 1:49pm

Thomas,

Your ambitions sound very interesting!  Keep us posted!
I have been trying to grow pawpaws (Asimina triloba) for 5 years.  You have to start small, because they don't transplant well.  I have 2 trees that are over 7 foot tall, bloomed for past 3 years, but no fruits yet.  There is a learning curve with them, and I don't know if the climate is the main issue for me.

With co-planting trees in the same hole, you need to consider vigor.  That can be hard to know, so you just do your best.

I have many multigraft fruit trees.  there is a similar issue, sometimes one variety will dominate, although that can be pruned back.  A good thing, if one doesn't prosper or is not good, it can be pruned off and you still have the others on the tree.  Multigrafts can also be good for pollination.

Good luck!

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 14, 2017 at 4:45pm

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Comment by Thomas Murray on June 13, 2017 at 2:05pm

Planting fruit trees..

I've been reading several books on the care & varieties of fruit trees. I have two trees ready to be planted...an apple and pear ( I need to get one more)

Of course there are a variety methods to follow and in this particular case I am trying to decide the best planting method for my area. I do have 2.5 acres to plant these trees but limited to maximizing the sunlight hours. Surrounding our home are tall trees and most of them are tall as ten story buildings. These trees block most of the early morning and late afternoon sun. On top of that we will eventually plant some grapes, blueberries, raspberries too.

Having an orchard suggests to plant fruit trees between 10 to 15 feet apart, depending on the tree size i.e. dwarf, semi-dwarf, and regular.

I want to maximize my options (and I am giddy as a school boy)...one intriguing idea is to cluster three trees on a single mound. The trees are 18 inches from each other, and can be of different types. The pruning required is that it must be a V shaped funnel at the center of the three trees.

I supposed I could graft three trees to a single trunk but I do not have any established trees yet and it seems soo....frankensteinish.... Next will be our attempt to plant Asimina triloba, Paw Paw trees and I understand they taste interesting. A three footer cost around $100.00.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 13, 2017 at 8:40am

Daniel, your garden/yard always looks so colorful. I'd be embarrassed to show pictures of mine. Bees loved my persimmon blossoms, and now they're enjoying the Linden (basswood) tree. I also have a lot of clover in the yard. I'm not mowing for two reasons: the bees and to preserve ground moisture. We have about a 30% chance of rain the next couple of days.

Spud, the $60 minimum order is the reason I had to buy 13 trees! Luckily, I plan to plant most of them on the farm where my kids live. Sure hope your avocado makes it. I'm going to water all my old new trees today as they look droopy.

AND......I need to replace two more melon plants that rabbits got when I wasn't looking soon after I uncovered them yesterday morning. That's the 4th time!!

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 13, 2017 at 5:24am

Nice blue flowers, and impressive edibles.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 13, 2017 at 5:20am

During the hot weather last week, many bees were busy at my raspberries.  I even saw a few bumblebees in the cool of the mornings.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 13, 2017 at 5:18am

Sunrise, sunset.  It seems only yesterday when those ducks were small.

Comment by Daniel W on June 12, 2017 at 11:26pm

The ducks have their full adult plumage.  I think they are pretty.

Bees on a Ceonothus.  Not my bees - I gave up after the last hive swarmed or disappeared.

Blackberry starts in cages, potatoes, garlic.  There are some collard greens in there too, left of the blackberries.

Onions and more potatoes

Hot peppers in raised beds.

Tomatoes

 

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