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Comment by kathy: ky on May 17, 2017 at 12:07am
Joan, I've agree with you about giving up places. It's often more difficult than we think.

Taking care of a terminally ill husband is draining any energy I would ordinarily have. Emotional stress takes a physician toll on me and my weight continues to drop. I didn't have any to spare to begin with :(
Comment by Joan Denoo on May 16, 2017 at 3:22pm

I also use the small seived material for mulch in my Spokane garden. 

Laura instructed me not to use wood bark or mulch because of fire hazards. I search, now, for groundcovers that will grow in the forest and other plants recommended by Firewise, a wildfire and firefighting resources network. 

I have emotionally said and feel disconnected from my Spokane home. Those years passed and a new environment attracts my attention. It was harder to detach than I thought; 41 years of creating a safe, secure, stable home and garden built bonds that resisted change. I'm Ok now. I have special memories that sustain me while forming new bonds in my current life. 

Being an elder requires giving up dawn to dusk working at tasks. I don't know how Daniel can keep up the pace and I admire him for it. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 16, 2017 at 3:00pm

Spud, you have a treasure trove with that 16 yars of "chips", if you have time and energy. I would have the time and not the energy. I hope you can salvage the entire load. 

First, if you have a large Wheelbarrow Sifter for Compost and Soil, it is easy to sift such a delivery. I made three of different frames out of scrap material. The hardware store supplied me with several different sizes of seives and with a staple gun, quickly fastened them to the frames.  

The large material goes into my "Long time" compost pile. The chips go onto my walkways, and I use the small seived material in my "Fast" compost. It takes a lot of work and there were days when I could do that. Those days now reside in the days of old and I have a new normal. 

The "delivery" charge is outrageous. My sources deliver for free, happy to be rid of the stuff. 

What are Ramial chips? 

"there are three kinds of wood chips: industrial chips, bark chips and ramial chips.

industrial chips: "old building materials,... may contain nails, putty, treated and painted wood, and other items from old buildings ... the uses of industrial chips are few and they need to be used with care. In general, Refuse industrial wood chips ... unless sure of the source materials".

bark chips: "often available from log processing facilities such as saw mills. These make great mulches on many perennials, as the tanin in them makes them long lived. Their dark color is also attractive. They are very low in nitrogen. You do NOT want to till them into your garden soil. They are generally available only by purchasing them either bagged or in bulk, either from the producer, garden centers or nurseries. Ocassionally you can find an unwanted pile at a sawmill, where they are considered a nuisance."

I buy these, either by the truck load or bagged. I specify red fir bark because I like the look.

ramial chips: "from trees and brush, from branches up to about 4 inches in diameter with or without leaves. A fairly high percentage of their mass is thin young bark, young wood, and sometimes leaves.

"I think of ramial chips as falling into three categories based on how to use them: summer chips (with leaves), spring, fall and winter chips (without leaves), and evergreen chips (with needles). And within these three categories there are sub-categories, such as cedar chips (long-lasting, poor composters), or alder chips (fast rotting, good mulch), and so on. Ramial chips are what I use most, so I will from here on just refer to them as 'chips'."

~ Tom Roberts, In praise of ramial chips, and other "waste" materials

http://www.snakeroot.net/farm/InPraiseOfChips.shtml

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 16, 2017 at 11:58am

I've been waiting to see a tree service company chipping-up trees, so I could get some Ramial wood chips.  Yesterday I saw a company taking down 2 trees, so I had them deliver 16 yards to my place.  

There were larger pieces than I expected, but quite a large amount of smaller chips and dust, with leaves.  Most of the chips are about one-half inch in length and thin.

I called them today and ask how big were the largest branches they chipped-up.  They said up to 12 inches, so I guess I don't officially have Ramial chips, which are below 3 inches.

They charged me $65.  They said it's a set price for the delivery, no matter how much material is delivered.  That's not bad for 16 cubic yards, but seems overpriced anyway, because if they didn't deliver them to me, they would have to go much further to the landfill. 

I don't thing the landfill charges anything for that kind of material.  It's put on the compost piles and people that want compost can buy it.  I don't buy any compost from them because I'm sure a lot of it has unwanted chemicals in it.

Because a good portion of my chips are from large branches, I'm not going to till any in, just put it on top of the garden soil.  I'll see if I can find a spot to bury the larger pieces.  There are some whole branches about up to 3/4 inch diameter and 2 feet long.  I even found one 5 inches in diameter and 1 foot long.

Comment by Daniel W on May 16, 2017 at 11:20am

Sorry Randy.  I didn't mean to disagree.  I think either way is OK.  Cutting off one would be less traumatic to the remaining one, but then you lose the one you cut off.  Pulling them up is more traumatic to both, but I imagine they would both survive;

Kathy, trees are pretty resilient and you will probably have success either way.  I think if you cut off one at the ground, it will not grow back.

Still raining and chilly!  Later in the week, we should start getting more gardening - friendly weather.  I did transplant some ostrich ferns from my old place to the country place. Probably not a good time for that, the fronds are fragile, but I wanted to try to keep them when we finally move completely.

Comment by Daniel W on May 16, 2017 at 11:20am

Sorry Randy.  I didn't mean to disagree.  I think either way is OK.  Cutting off one would be less traumatic to the remaining one, but then you lose the one you cut off.  Pulling them up is more traumatic to both, but I imagine they would both survive;

Kathy, trees are pretty resilient and you will probably have success either way.  I think if you cut off one at the ground, it will not grow back.

Still raining and chilly!  Later in the week, we should start getting more gardening - friendly weather.  I did transplant some ostrich ferns from my old place to the country place. Probably not a good time for that, the fronds are fragile, but I wanted to try to keep them when we finally move completely.

Comment by Randall Smith on May 16, 2017 at 7:12am

Daniel, as Jack Benny would say with exhasperation, "Well!". True, there are several methods of transplanting trees. I usually take the simplest one. I did watch Joan's video. I'm certainly no expert.

Comment by kathy: ky on May 15, 2017 at 10:01pm
Thanks Joan. I'll take a look. I don't know why I have such trouble finding good links.


Yes, I do. It's the slow signal here. Seems to take forever to get useful information : (
Comment by Joan Denoo on May 15, 2017 at 1:50pm

I didn't send you the video of the fellow transplanting peaches. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 15, 2017 at 10:57am

A little more searching, I found a video of how this fellow transplants peach trees grown from seed. The soil is different than yours, but the principle is how he digs one tree seedling. As for separating two seedlings, the principles are the same as I wrote. 

 

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