Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

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Comment by Randall Smith on March 21, 2017 at 7:37am

Daniel, Farmland is about 80 miles from me, due East. A little too far to drive, taking 2 hours one way. But thanks for the "heads up"!

This afternoon, I'm off to find fruit and nut trees for my "hole" I've filled up (with over 50 wheelbarrow loads of soil). I'm thinking four will do it. Still haven't decided what I'll get. I'll know when I see them. Rural King, Lowe's, and a local greenhouse carries fruit trees.

Joan, I didn't mean to sound so skeptical and close-minded about lunar phases determining planting dates. With a science based mind (reason and logic), such lunacy (pun intended) is too farfetched for me, sort of like astrology. I have a college educated farmer friend who swears by planting according to the moon. It's a lot like praying: when it works, prayers are answered; if not, well, God works in mysterious ways (etc.).

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2017 at 11:49am

Daniel, a beautiful painting. I am curious about the taste and texture of this variety and look forward to your reports as it matures for you.  That news of having the "best vegetable garden ever" and good development of your trees raises my spirits and I will know it raises yours, too.  

With all the news, the soil in the greenhouse encourages me to keep doing what I am doing and laugh a lot. Love as if it is the last day of my life, encourage others to reach for their dreams. Don't hold back, go full throttle. "Follow your bliss." (Thanks for reminding us, Joseph Campbell.)

Find a place inside where there's joy, and the joy will burn out the pain. Joseph Campbell

~ Joseph Campbell

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2017 at 11:37am

Randy, I can find no valid research on moon planting but lots of anecdotal papers. I don't trust the papers if the people who wrote them have no data to demonstrate the moon phase affects seed starting. There is a lot of unreliable information out there. 

It would be an easy thing to study. Just plant some seeds according to the lunar calendar and plant seeds from the same packet on times that the lunar calendar says not to plant. Keep track of the time it takes to sprout and record it.

I'm not interested enough to do the technical task. Maybe someone else is. I just don't believe planting according to moon phases is valid.

HOW one plants seeds is valid and reliable, the test of good science. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 20, 2017 at 11:15am

Randy, good point about losing faith in the article because of lunar cycles! I ignored that thinking it was irrelevant.Maybe it is relevant. I wonder what the research says? It seemed to me the article fit my understanding of starting seeds. 

Daniel, what is your assessment of the planting guide? Or anyone who is interested. 

My favorite garden store in Spokane has a section on lunar cycles. I just don't pay attention to it. 

Thanks for calling this to my attention. 

Comment by Daniel W on March 20, 2017 at 10:05am

Spud, I just plant them.  The potato goes about 4 inches deep and the sprout points upwards.  I don't worry about it too much and they usually do fine.  The sprouts should be an inch or less, not as fragile when small.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 20, 2017 at 9:40am

Daniel, how do you plant sprouted potatoes?  I would guess very carefully, because in my experience the sprouts break-off easily.

Comment by Daniel W on March 20, 2017 at 9:19am

Randy, this might be too far for you, but the midwest fruit explorers also has some events.  Those are more around Chicago.  They have grafting workshops, but a cursory look did not show a scion exchange.

My last post was too long - the Indiana Scion exchange looks like it's near Muncie, and is March 26th. 

Comment by Daniel W on March 20, 2017 at 9:10am

Joan, I agree with you about 4 years since our cancer diagnoses.  We've been through a lot with that.  I think t gardening has been vitally important in keeping my spirits up.  Trees that I planted, the year before that diagnosis, are growing tall and strong.  Last year was my best vegetable garden year ever.  This year I will cut back a bit, and focus mainly on what worked in 2016. 

Potatoes are mostly in the ground, except for russets that for some reason are germinating very slowly. 

About half of the onions are planted.  The rest should go in the ground this week.  I'm still undecided about how well the onion seedlings are doing, but will plant them out soon.

I will plant tomato and pepper seeds soon, maybe this week if I get the onions out of my window garden.

Sweet Corn and Beans wait for may.

Somewhere in there, I'm planning to plant marigolds, cosmos, dahlias, zinnias, and dahlias.  I also have some cleome seeds to plant,  I moved lots of bearded iris clumps from the old place, didn't know where to plant them, left them on the driveway all summer, fall, and most of the winter.  They look none the worse for the neglect!  I planted them at the edge of the woods, where I cleared those damn blackberries.

Here is a watercolor of the "Fameuse" apple that I grafted yesterday, painted in 1902.  I was wrong about the age of this variety - it is from the 17th century, not 18th.  Source is USDA, a collection of watercolors done for the USDA in the early 20....Randy - if you are on Facebook, you can find theIndiana Nut and Fruit Growers scion swap to be done at Farmland."  I don't know where that town is.  Here is the info:  March 26 2017 at the Davis-Purdue Agricultural Center, 6230 North St Rd 1, Farmland, IN 47340. Pitch in lunch around 12:30 followed by a speaker and meeting. Doors will be open sooner for scion set up. If you have never been, it is a great meeting to attend. Members bring scion wood to share with others, bring it if you have it but don't let it stop you if you don't have anything to share."

Comment by Randall Smith on March 20, 2017 at 7:25am
Daniel, I wish I could have attended the scion exchange. I can't imagine that happening around here.

I read Joan's article (mentioned above in the forum). It lost all credibility when it talked about lunar cycles.
Comment by Daniel W on March 19, 2017 at 9:39pm

Oh, I forgot - here is a photo of the scion exchange.  I volunteered to help set up yesterday, and helped a little today too.


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