Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on June 17, 2016 at 1:50pm

Chris, I am glad to learn you turned a wretched task into an opportunity to participate with neighbors to solve the water problem. There is nothing like a strong sense of community, especially during difficult times. 

Comment by Daniel W on June 17, 2016 at 1:38pm

Welcome Larry! 

Supposedly Four O'Clocks help with Japanese beetle control, the beetles eat th....  I don't know if that is true.  Four O'clocks are easy to grow, but not invasive fror me.

I have 5 foot fences that deer easily and frequently jump over.  My raised beds have fences that height, and most fruit trees are individually fenced, and deer do not jump into those narrow spaces.

Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 1:20pm

I understand, Larry.  Deer can certainly be a scourge in some places.  I expected that sort of trouble when I first put the garden in in the summer of 1979.  I bought cedar posts and fencing, my father came to visit with his posthole digger, and we built a good fence.  But I got to hate trying to mow around it--and it became pretty clear eventually that I didn't need the defense, so after a couple of years i took it down.  

Comment by Larry Martin on June 17, 2016 at 1:10pm

Love your garden, Don.  Mine needs a fence.  I'm on 6 acres against a church camp, with 10 acre neighbor lots, all wooded, in central NC.  The deer kill an unfenced garden but don't bother jumping over a 4 foot fence.

My bigger problem right now is japanese beetles.  They really hurt the grape and apple leaves.  I have to select for plants that can make it through the bad season.  I may try BT this year.

Comment by Daniel W on June 17, 2016 at 11:56am

Don, that sounds great.  My neighborhood is plots of 1 to 10 acres.  The deer are tame enough that I have thrown sticks at a dear that was munching on my fig tree, and it wouldn't move.  I finally got about 10 feet away and it ran off.   We have lots of rabbits too.  They might be affectged by a growing family of feral cats.  The cats might also help with voles.  I put up a nesting box for barn owls, which I often hear calling in the distance, but none have settled into the nesting box, yet.

Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 11:54am

I think it's more that there is a great deal of hospitable territory--woods and fields--where the deer can find plenty to eat and won't feel too nervous.  Most of my friends with gardens in town and in more populous areas don't fence their gardens either.  It's not at all like eastern Long Island, or parts of Connecticut, and so on, where wild land exists only in pockets and where the deer can't help but encroach on people's yards..  

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 17, 2016 at 10:51am

That's interesting Don.  It sounds like if a person is far enough away from other people, they won't have as much trouble with wild animals eating their garden.

Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 10:29am

Yes, there are many deer hereabouts--also moose, bear, coyotes, and so on.  The nearest house is 1/4 of a mile from us to the south and no one at all for more than a mile in the other four directions--just a 600-acre tree farm and lots of open field and hardwoods.  The deer seldom bother the garden during the growing season.  Even when they happen to venture into it, they stay only long enough to eat the tops of a Brussels sprout or two.  They're skittish, and they don't like to be too close to a house.  Besides, there is plenty for them to eat out in the surrounding wild, where they feel safe.  Late in the fall--November, generally-they may visit at night for any carrots i may have missed, but that's all.  Last week, however, a woodchuck did find the garden.  That seldom happens, but when it does the chuck will keep coming back till he's eaten everything.  I waited and watched for him and then shot him, a hard deed I've resorted to only half a dozen times in the 40 years I've been gardening here.

Comment by Daniel W on June 17, 2016 at 10:14am

Don, do you have deer?  If my garden was in the open like yours, I would have no tomatoes, beans, plums, cherries, grapes and a lot of others.

Comment by Don on June 17, 2016 at 8:56am

Yesterday's garden.  It's coming along.


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