Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:23pm

My front yard, one side yard, and one curb area has chain-link which lets-in the sun while keeping-out dogs and cats.  The back fence and one side fence are wood, which cats love to climb, so feces is a problem for me also.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:19pm

Ambition, thy name is Daniel W.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:15pm

Oh, I just noticed the cactus fence.  That would be good to grow in a dry climate like St. George Utah, and should keep-out most dogs and cats.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:13pm

The willow and bamboo fences look like good ideas.  I've always wanted to grow bamboo, as I could use it build things, as well as eat.  That is, if I like young bamboo shoots.  I've never tasted them.

Comment by Daniel W on March 15, 2015 at 4:11pm


To be honest, at the moment I feel so wasted and fatigued I can barely move. 

If there is an especially hard day at work, it can take several days for me to recover.  Last week I aspirated my oral chemo, which was torture, coughed up blood, wednesday developed sciatica - likely from coughing up the oral chemo - and then thursday developed shingles.  Friday was a 12-hour work day, with no breaks for rest or meal, and a fair amount of abusive people to deal with.  Most of my weeks are NOT that bad, but this week was kind of a bummer.

So, sat am I could sit around and mope - which does no good, or drink - not me, or make use of now-decriminalized plant-derived-substances  - which I'm sure I would hate, or watch TV, which I know I would hate.  Reading is always good, but I can't think of anything I want to read at the moment.  I've taken up sewing, but that takes more precision than I can accomplish right now.

So -

I shoveled wood chips around a number of fruit trees and some shrubs, now they have big mulched area that should stay weed free this year.  Then pruned a wild grapevine back to civilized form, and other grapevines on arbor back to their bound.  Then puttered around the yard until it was raining too hard to do anything else.  On the deck, under shelter, I grafted together a little apple tree, using my neighbors' tree which overhangs a privacy fence into my yard, could have great apples if cared for, and using for root stock a small tree that I grew by cutting off root suckers from another dwarf tree, and growing them for a year.  Then I planted a batch of "meadow foam" also called "Poached egg flower" (Limnanthes douglasii) for bee forage, in a spot that had been prepared for crimson clover which the rabbits ate.

Today I did homework, and at the moment have given up all else to rest and maybe now will read.

Actually, ordering the trees happened in Nov and Dec, helps me daydream.  The locations were prepared during the winter, the ground soft and easily dug.

Your garden design sounds perfect.  More thoughtful than mine which is hodge podge.  Pesky animals, we have neighbor cats who come over with gifts of feces.  I hope they are also eating mice and voles.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 4:05pm

Spud, I like your idea of thorn berry bushes. Best of both worlds. And you can grown them so that they are moe verticle and less horizontal. 

living fence 2 espalier

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 3:52pm

Come to think of it, Casa Blanka = house white

Therefore, Pneuma tranquillo.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 3:48pm

I like the looks of those beautiful living fences Joan.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 3:45pm

If I put up a privacy screen here, it will limit the sunlight to my garden that already is limited by my house, so I guess I'd rather grow more to eat than have privacy.

The next move I make will be to a place with enough land to grow a large garden, and if it's close to other people, I will definitely put in privacy screens.

As far as dogs and cats, I think a good screen would be some blackberries with nasty thorns.  I could eat them also (harvested with tough gloves and long sleeves), so they would do double duty.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 3:44pm

if you look in another area, contact the County Extension Agent for a list appropriate for that area.

For ideas of a living fence.


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