Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 11:07pm

Daniel, I am so sorry to learn that you did not have the shingles and pneumonia shots. I wish you could have my medical  teams for your doctors. 

I went back and reread my statement and I owe you a big apology. I implied you had physical fatigue and I had mental. That is exactly incorrect. You have both physical and mental fatigue and I did not mean to discount your experience at all. I wrote unwisely. 

I am glad to learn that changing your meds from pm to am helps with the control of aspiration but am sad to learn your fatigue and nausea cause you more distress. I don't suppose moving to several days a week of work is a possibility? 

Thankfully, you have your GIST group to help you keep up to date on what needs attention. 

If that Drought Outlook Map is accurate, it may mean you will have more drought. Interesting how the drought relief seems to be coming along the northern edge of the "Drought Intensifies" boundary. 

I'm glad we have the advice of Linda Chalker-Scott. 


Comment by Daniel W on March 15, 2015 at 9:51pm
Joan, my system has calmed down. I changed the ed timing to am, I cant take sny more of those episodes. Fatigue and nausea are more but I will deal with it.

Oncologist neglected shingles shot and pneumonia shot. On the GIST site that is a common oversite and one reason I fired that onc, oh well.

Back to garden, I seem to know almost every shoot and bud, inspect them so often!

Thanks a lot for the drought map. A very important topic. Mulch is very important to retain moisture and reduce/prevent weeds! Even straw, which is cheap and will last through the drought at least. Straw is my main fruit tree and vegetable mulch.
Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 8:55pm

@k.h. ky. Kathy if I were to take a wild guess, It would be that you will be in an area of "drought removal" and the ancient Ouachita Trough, roughly that area of green and light green from KY into MO, will be an area of "drought removal likely". The green and light green seem to have the most promise for drought relief. Let me know if I am any good at guesswork.


Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 8:35pm

Drought outlook 2015

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 8:17pm

Spud, I like you ideas! I love bamboo shoots if they are fresh. An Asian grocery or restaurant might be able to advise how to use them and may even give you a sample. 

Bamboo becomes a fine wood product, now that we have cut down so many of our hardwood forests. I use bamboo utensils in my kitchen all the time and they don't seem to wear out. 

I like the idea of a cactus fence too. A most formidable barrier with beautiful flowers. I saw ocotillo fences when we lived in El Paso. 

Many of the homes I visited in Juarez were made of ocotillo, just as we would build with siding. 

cactus fences


Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 7:58pm

Daniel, you had a bout with that Rx before if I remember correctly. Things like that happen so fast, you have no way to prepare or prevent them. Is your respiratory tract and esophagus back to normal?  I assume you had a shingles shot; does that make a difference in severity? 

I can't read, either, when I am down. It seems that you need to get into the garden and closer to nature during those times as well. But your down was physical fatigue, much different than emotional fatigue. Whatever! They both offer challenges difficult to overcome quickly. The advantages you and I have are our outstanding support group. 

Do you have access to a heat source in your sunroom? You may not need it. I like to imagine you sitting out there with a light drizzle coming down to calm nerves and soothe your weary soul and you recuperate your strength. 

I looked up limnanthus douglasii poached egg plant , it looks so refreshing. Aside from attracting bees and butterflies, it also self-sows. Exactly what I want for my east border. 

You mentioned getting a rugosa rose. When I lived in Alaska, the natives grew them, gathered the rosehips and made the most delicious rosehip jam. Very high in Vit. C as I remember. 

Comment by Daniel W on March 15, 2015 at 4:25pm

Spud, it's probably something dysfunctional from my upbringing.  On the farm I don't remember ever sitting still.

I was thinking, cactus would be a good idea for you.  There is also rugosa rose, which takes more room but the fruits can be used for jelly.  When I was a kid, we had something called "osage orange" or "hedgeapple". which had formidable thorns.  Probably way too big.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:23pm

My front yard, one side yard, and one curb area has chain-link which lets-in the sun while keeping-out dogs and cats.  The back fence and one side fence are wood, which cats love to climb, so feces is a problem for me also.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:19pm

Ambition, thy name is Daniel W.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:15pm

Oh, I just noticed the cactus fence.  That would be good to grow in a dry climate like St. George Utah, and should keep-out most dogs and cats.


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