Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Amy on December 13, 2014 at 9:04pm
I use leaves in my compost pile often, and I never get mold. But my mom bags here's up for me and I let's my boys jump on them to break them up first lol they break down quickly for me after being pulverized
Comment by Daniel W on December 13, 2014 at 8:04pm
Barbara I'm just guessing but I think in your hot climate, the leaves will compost very fast. Also, I think after running them through your mulcher, they are at least crinkled up so wont make soggy flat layers. They dont have to be ground up fine, just rough chop and crinkly.

My climate is so wet, one would think leaves would pack down and be soggy. But they really made a nice mulch, and are already breaking down. I figure if the forest does well with leaves left in place, so will my yard.

Butternut is my favorite squash. I want to plant some of those, and some summer squash, then various types just for novelty. Like Joan, we still have a bunch waiting to be cooked.

I dont know what will happen with the squash seeds from grocery store. I think they should grow OK. If they were not grown in isolation from other squashes, you might get a weird hybrid. Also if they are a hybrid variety, they may not come true. I think most betternut and most acorn squash are not hybrids, but Im not certain.
Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 13, 2014 at 5:41pm

I love squash and that is what I plan to grow in both of my hugelkultur beds - butternut and acorn.  I've been saving the seeds from the ones I buy at grocery store. I keep reading that if you expect them to grow you should buy organic otherwise they have been treated and won't grown.  Anyone had luck with grocery store seeds?

Joan, my gosh, too big to fit in oven?  I had no idea squash got that large. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 13, 2014 at 5:34pm

Amy, "not as good as I'd like to be" - oh, girl,  I know how that feels. You are among some very good gardeners on here and they will sure be able to give you ideas and help.  I'm just starting out and I've made so many mistakes its laughable.  For example ...

I created two beds and planted them in the Spring, and didn't have money to buy plants, etc.for any other beds this year.  However, I figured I could get the other beds ready. So I bought a rototiller and proceeded to remove the grass and till the soil. Done!  Just had to wait for spring. Sadly, about a week later I learned nature doesn't wait and it proceeded to plant a whole bunch of new weeds for me in the new beds.

Then the leaves began to fall and I knew leaves were wonderful mulch and because of my clay soil it would help feed and lighten it.  So I promptly put all my neighbor's leaves and mine on my beds. It looked really nice. :) 

What I didn't know and found out quite by accident,  that it takes 2 - 3 years for leaves to break down and a heavy layer of leaves can cause fungus.  Yikes!  It had rained and all the leaves were wet ... jeezus ... so I raked them onto the lawn to dry out. Today I ran over them with mulching lawn mower, pulverizing them, and then put them back onto the beds.

Funny? !  I think so, and trust me that is only one of my goof ups. The experienced gardeners on here are probably just shaking their heads.  So, Amy, you came to the right place - Daniel is knowledgeable and empathetic as are the other members - so welcome!

Comment by Amy on December 13, 2014 at 4:55pm
Barbara, I put seeds in their original envelopes in the zip lock bags lol if I have seeds, I throughly dry them before freezingg. I've never had mold issues. I do love gardening, but I'm not as good at it as I'd like to be! Joan, I'm glad you enjoyed it :)
Comment by Joan Denoo on December 13, 2014 at 3:40pm

Daniel, I am thinking about more squashes, as well. My neighbor supplied me with some beauties. I ate the patty pans at once and now have a bushel of winter squash left. One is too big to go in my oven, so the old ax will have to come out. 

Well, the December thaw is here. We've had a week of thawing weather. I hope trees and shrubs don't break dormancy. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 13, 2014 at 3:35pm

Amy, it is wonderful to read your posts! You clearly love the garden environment and have much to add to our conversation. I thoroughly enjoy reading your discussion with Daniel about seeds and catalogues. I just sent away for a couple of ones I don't get, thanks to your communication. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 13, 2014 at 3:30pm

Barbara, being hit with risk to you and damage to your car is a bad way to get your pickup truck. However, you will be able to do so much with it. I can see you now with steaming manure going into your compost and garden. Very glad you were not seriously hurt. Did you get whiplash? or bodylash? 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 13, 2014 at 2:39pm

Patricia, thanks. Chiropractor got rid of nasty headache and said I was good to go. Advised I do something outside and not sit in recliner feeling sorry for myself all weekend.

At time of accident I was on my way home with new blower/vac/mulcher so I decided to go put it together and take it for a test run.  It's Black & Decker and electric.  

I have to say I'm not all that impressed as it didn't chop up the leaves as much as I thought it would. I wanted to put the leaves onto my various beds to feed as well as a mulch. So, now do I go to Lowe's and get chicken wire and create a compost bin for all the leaves and add starter so I'll have good compost by March - OR do I run them through the vac/mulcher again and put on the beds anyway so I'll at least have a mulch of some kind.

Amy and Daniel, your discussion on seed saving sent me off in search of the subject.  All this time I thought seeds should be saved  in paper envelopes and that is what I've done. Now thanks you I learned that paper allows moisture in, and zip lock bags can seal in moisture and cause mold if seeds are not throughly dry - AND according to one person - best way of saving seeds is in thin polyethylene (sp?) bags as it prevents moisture but allows the seeds to breathe. It appears we all have different ways. 

Amy, absolutely nothing wrong with OCD. It helps us to be organized along with getting a lot done - along with making lists, labeling everything, creating database, logging growth, and listing mistakes ... well, not mistakes, just things we won't do again. lol :)   

Comment by Daniel W on December 13, 2014 at 10:38am

Nothing wrong with being a little OCD.  I go from that to chaos, but would be more organized if I had my way.

A lot of web sites say you can't grow okra in containers and plant outside.  That's not true.  I think you just have to be careful not to disturb the roots.   Last year I started the variety Burgundy inside at about christmas and grew it under lights.  Just the CFL type.  It did OK, even bloomed inside.  I had it on my deck for the summer, got about a dozen pods.  I think some of the SeedSavers varieties might be from OK, or at least TX - I'll check later today if I get a chance.


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