Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Hen in Winter

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by k.h. ky 40 minutes ago. 10 Replies

Fruit Pests: Apricot

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 28. 3 Replies

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 24. 1 Reply

Change, the only constant

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 16. 4 Replies

Change, the only constant

Started by Joan Denoo Jun 15. 0 Replies

Favorite Flowers

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Randall Smith Jun 8. 8 Replies

The Evolution of Ecological Consciousness

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 4. 1 Reply

Living in the forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 27. 6 Replies

Good plants that volunteer.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Idaho Spud May 25. 17 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 10, 2014 at 4:19pm

I sit in my garden having lunch. Just off the corner of my eye I see movement in a huge clump of Borage. Paying attention, I see a tiny little mouse climbing a stalk that is almost three feet tall. OOOOPPs, the stalk breaks and the mouse falls to the Wooly thyme. She scrambles onto the stock and begins nibbling at the pretty blue flowers. 

Yesterday, it was a squirrel climbing up the tallest sunflower stalk reaching for the ripest sunflower. The limb broke, he bit off the blossom and took it to the edge of the box and sat there eating the sunflowers as I watched. This went on for maybe 30 minutes. It became too cold and I headed for the house and some warmth. Summer heat is definitely over. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 7, 2014 at 8:56am

I'm also thinking of not bothering with watermelons anymore.  But so far, I plan on planting one kind in a new spot, and probably 2 kinds of muskmelons.  If I can't get a better tasting watermelon next year, I'll probably quit trying.

I'll keep trying muskmelons because I've gotten more taste from them than the watermelons.  

My new place to grow them will have about the same amount of sun, but will be warmer.  It will also be easier to cover them with  transparent plastic if cold weather is predicted.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 7, 2014 at 8:48am

Randy, I read that melons do not ripen further once they're off the vine.  Muskmelons can be softened and made more juicy, but the flavor does not improve.

Comment by Randall Smith on October 7, 2014 at 8:31am

Barbara, glad your tiller is everything you had hoped for. Spring can't come fast enough, right?!

Spud, my melons (musk and water) didn't turn out either. But they never do. I don't know why I bother. Won't they ripen on the counter after a week or so?

Don, sorry 'bout the deer. B. sprouts are a favorite of mine, but they didn't "bud" out this year for some reason. I plan on scattering soybeans on the garden in hopes they're germinate providing a ground cover and adding N to the soil. I see them sprouting in combined bean fields, so why not my garden?

I don't use a greenhouse, but my kids do. They have 5 long tunnels. Then again, that's what they do for a living. It is tempting. Let us know your decision.

Daniel, everything okay? We're missing you.

Comment by Don on October 6, 2014 at 10:33am

Yes, it's turning cold here in the north country.  I've still got carrots in the ground, plus arugula, dill, B. sprouts, and broccoli shoots--though the deer have been pleased to visit at night (as they never do during the height of the season) to nibble (or chomp) the tops of the B. sprouts and the broccoli leaves.  I've been putting up with it, but in another night or two they'll be down to the sprouts and then they'll hoof up my carrots.  So it's time to bring everything in and till.  Half the garden is in winter rye already. 

Anybody using a greenhouse?  A neighbor here put one up this summer--a 12-by-12 aluminum-frame job that he ordered online from Costco (Google it) for $2800.  He loves it.  I'm tempted.  If my new novel makes me some money, maybe I'll splurge.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 6, 2014 at 9:54am

Randy, thanks for reminding me to plant lettuce, Cauliflower & Broccoli next year. I hate paying what the store wants for an inferior product.

Barbara, I'm glad to hear how great your new rototiller is working for you.

I've not been posting because my garden has been disappointing this year, especially the watermelon.  I think the main problem was a week or more of cold wet weather in the middle of the summer, which I've read watermelon don't like. 

None of the muskmelons that I've eaten so far have been fully ripe.  They taste good, but are still hard, and could taste much better.  There are still melons on the vine, but it's doubtful I'll get any better.

There was a 32 degree F morning 3.5 weeks ago which killed a third of the watermelon leaves (the ones on the top of the hillocks).  That probably stopped any still on the vine from ripening further, but I'm letting them sit until the first frost below 32, to see what happens.

I did get a few watermelon that were fair to good tasting after they were cooled in the refrigerator.  I've discovered that fact is true.  They do taste better after refrigeration.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on October 6, 2014 at 9:28am

Randall, I'm still doing a few things here. It is alot cooler and we too have had some rain.  I finally found a simple design for my veggie garden that will work best smack in the middle of my yard, and will put down a tarp to kill the grass this week.  Transplanted a few things for more appropriate space and sun exposure and put in a few more xeriscape plants. Next year at this time I'll be able to "talk veggies" with y'all.  :)

I used my new rototiller and for me it's perfect. On previously turned earth it's a snap, and when digging up existing St. Augustine grass I had to stop often as the roots wrapped around the tines.  Not a big deal and trust me sooooo much easier than digging with a spade, shovel or on my hands and knees.  I took off the top layer of grass, cleaned it up, then continued digging deeper.  Since this is my very first time using a rototiller I have nothing to compare it to.  All I know is that I wound up with fluffy dirt that my little puppy just loved, and I was able to dig a hole to plant a Pride of Barbados in just a couple of minutes.  I now know that digging up my veggie garden and planting a few more trees will be easy and I won't have to pay someone to do it for me.

A magical moment earlier this week when I saw my puppy looking at my Milkweed Plant that is in full bloom - the pods are about to burst open for the second time ... and there was a Monarch Butterfly!  A small but happy sucess for the season.  I saved most of the seeds from the first flush and will germinate them over the winter to plant in the Spring.  

Have a great week everyone! :) 


Comment by Randall Smith on October 6, 2014 at 7:53am

What, nobody gardening? After 2.5" of rain three days ago, I can't work in my garden(s). However, I can continue to eat out of it. Enjoying chard, kale, fall lettuce, etc., besides the aformentioned cabbage, caulif., and broc.

Comment by Randall Smith on October 2, 2014 at 7:35am

Thanks, Joan. Notice the weeds! Thanks for the D.E. tip. I have some leftover from when I had a pool for the kids (used in the filter). And I have a hand pump.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 1, 2014 at 11:56am

Oh! Randy, They are just gorgeous! So bright, and green, and I am sure, very crisp. OH! I used to grow those when the kids lived at home. I'm going back to growing them again. You inspire me. Yes, I like the salt trick, too. 

Have you tried diatomaceous earth sprayed with a dry sprayer? Get the under-leaves especially. It's cheap, it's easy. There is a major problem, it is not good for birds. I use a light garden sheet, you know, the kind that looks like gauze, to keep birds out. The diatomaceous earth is good for the compost, too, when you pick those beautiful vegetables and have those huge leaves for composting. 


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