Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Daniel W on March 22, 2017 at 3:08pm

Randy, you have an opportunity now, to learn grafting :-)  Its not as hard as people think.  Pear is the easiest, even the messy ones that I did while learning, took and grew and produced flowers and fruits.  Apples are also very forgiving.  I think both have resilient and vigorous cambium, the layer that heals together.  You can either graft from your other trees, just to get pollination, or find someone else with a different variety, including Asian pears, as long as they flower at the same time.

Same for the apple.  Almost all of mine are multigrafts.

I can point you toward references about grafting if you like.  I would wait until they are established next year, although I have grafted onto brand new trees that were bare root just weeks before. 

I couldn't find info about Monzano apple either.  Moonglow has a good reputation.

Comment by Randall Smith on March 22, 2017 at 7:41am
I think I'm going to regret buying the two trees I bought yest. One was called Monzano Apple. I googled it and found nothing. Pretty pink blossoms, however. The pear tree is a "Moonglow". It didn't say anything about needing a pollinater, but it does. I do have two othe pear trees. However, they are 50 yards away and away from prevailing westerlies. I think I'll need a little luck with the wind. What I liked about the tree was that the fruit (if ever) comes early. Well, we'll see.
2-3 more trees to find.
Comment by Daniel W on March 21, 2017 at 9:09pm

I agree.  In addition, with the sun higher in the sky, it is at a more direct angle to the garden soil as well as to out plants, trees, and us.  That means more warmth and, Im guessing, more lumens of light.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 21, 2017 at 6:20pm

I like Spring Equinox because it designated equal daylight and darkness of our days. At the Vernal Equinox, the Sun crosses the celestial equator on its way north along the ecliptic. The days start getting longer. More daylight means warmer days and nights, the beginning of the growing season, and I had better be sure everything is ready to go into the ground when the soil get warm enough. 

With climate change, we have to pay attention to the weather and what happens. If we have a change of weather patterns everything changes. 

Meteorologically, in the Northern Hemisphere, the official Spring season always begins on March 1 and continues through May 31. Summer begins on June 1; autumn, September 1; and winter, December 1.

The Old Farmer's Almanac


Comment by Daniel W on March 21, 2017 at 12:54pm

Spud, you are right about Spring.  Here it  an vary by more than a month.   Last year it was much earlier, this year is more typical, here.  Starting later also means less mud.

I guess the official Spring is the vernal equinox which is March 20th this year.  Here in maritime Pacific NW, "Spring" stretches out over a long time, depending on how cold/wet tolerant a plant is, and the problem of warm followed by frosts.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 21, 2017 at 12:26pm

Years ago, I planted some things early and the same things late.  The ones I planted late always did better than the early.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 21, 2017 at 12:24pm

Daniel, I use a soil thermometer also.  I never jump the gun anymore.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 21, 2017 at 12:16pm

It looks and feels like spring here in Pocatello, so I'm trying to get gardening up to the top of my list.

Yesterday, as usual, the news peeps were saying it's the first day of spring.  No offense to anyone here that has said it, but it annoys this curmudgeon to hear people say it's the first day of spring, when looking at things practically, some parts of the USA are still frozen, and other parts are hot.  To me, spring comes when it comes, and it comes at vastly different times, depending on where you live.

Comment by Daniel W on March 21, 2017 at 12:14pm

finishing sentence -

I do use a soil thermometer to guide me, and don't plant unless the soil is warm enough for that species for at least a week.

Comment by Daniel W on March 21, 2017 at 12:13pm

Spud, I think they'll grow just fine.  Three inch sprouts are more than I aim for, but I've had sprouts much longer and they grew and produced.  They must have the same supplier as here, the packaging is exactly the same.

Joan, thank you for the quote from Joseph Campbell.  I need that reminder to go for my bliss.  I guess I was doing that yesterday when I was outside grafting various varieties onto my fruit trees, even though I certainly don't "need" them.  Next, moving into a phase aimed lest towards trying (adding) new stuff, and more towards maintaining and other types of puttering.

Randy, good luck with the new fruit trees!  I hope you find some good ones.  Wow, 50 wheelbarrows of soil!  That took some determination!  Sort of like me with my blackberry thicket, and the results will be worth it!

Oh, farming by lunar cycles!  I don't follow it.  Here is one writer's explanation of why it might be helpful, as far as using the moon as a sort of calendar to help guide us, but not attributing any special properties to the moon's cycles.  I have often thought about using phenology to plant, such as saying "Plant corn when oak leaves are the size of a squirrel's ears".  That lets the trees and flowers take the soil temperature and other natural influences, is regionally better than strictly following the calendar.  My problem is I get antsy and jump the gun, planting too early.  I do use a soil thermometer to


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