Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 9:00am

Barbara, thanks for the info.  I have not read about Masanobu Fukuoka's methods.  Will have to look into that. 

Just about the direct opposite, the "Backyard Orchard Culture" method allows for very close placement of fruit trees, keeping them to small size for maximum diversity in a small space.  Of course, that is promoted by a fruit tree nursery, and would sell more trees.  But it has a point. 

Many different ways to do things.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 9, 2014 at 8:35am

Daniel, have you read anything about Masanobu Fukuoka's method of growing fruit trees - no pruning?  He was the mentor of Larry Korn the lecturer on permaculture I'm currently listening to. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 9, 2014 at 7:40am

Wow, busy site here! I had to go back 3 "pages" worth of comments.

Daniel, just from experience, I'd say persimmons are not self-pollinating. Although to prove it, I'd have to cut down my 4 "males". They have never had "babies"! And I have a lone pear tree that is prolific in fruit production. I like your orchard set up. Fingers crossed you have a good year in '15.

Barbara, Chris, and Joan: I enjoy reading your back and forth comments! Love to read what others are doing. Inspirational.

Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 7:39am

Joan, I think here the permaculture idea would need to be less focused on water conservation, and more on other aspects such as food forest.

Most likely, my little orchard fits into the food forest idea.  Many different species, many different cultivars of each.  Some will flourish, grow, bear fruit.  Some wont.  Evolution on 2 acres, as the ones that don't grow die and are forgotten, and the ones that do grow, grow.

Yesterday I ordered one semidwarf apple, to replace a little apple tree that I planted 2 falls ago and for some reason it didn't survive.   This is a 4-variety multigraft, and will be large enough for me to add more if scion is available.  Also two for containers, that can be hauled into the garage for a killing frost or freeze - a genetic dwarf apricot and an olive, for play. 

I use mostly plastic or wooden containers.  Clay dries out so much in summer, and develops too much salty crust with my hard water.  Will check on research, there probably is some.

Comment by Plinius on November 9, 2014 at 3:11am

Thanks Joan! A good video with a beautiful positive sound!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:47pm

Barbara, I didn't get that far to see there was a cost. I just read "free" something or other. There is so much information on the internet, I don't think paying for classes is necessary. I would love, however, to go for a series in Australia with Geoff. That isn't going to happen and besides, I don't want to travel any more. That is out of my system. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 11:47pm

With the high heat on my patio using plastic pots just cooked the plants. Smart Pots are made of a fabric type material that allows the plants to breath, and they allow the plants to self prune. The one aspect of smart pots is that you can use a heavier soil in them and are not restricted to potting soil. And as I told Chris, you can grow anything from a small flower up to a tree in them.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GrnTSXsFKI

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 11:37pm

Joan, I did NOT sign up for classes - they are about $525 with a discounted amount of $375+-.  I'm just watching the free videos available - just click on the Lectures button.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:24pm

Daniel, I wonder what permaculture has to say about wet soils such as you have. Well, another search is on. See you later. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:23pm

I have never used "Smart Pots". Has anyone else? I very much like clay pots because they allow the roots to access oxygen as well as moisture. 

I am going to get smart pots, a plastic container, and a clay pot to grow potatoes in next year and see which I like the best.

I didn't have nearly enough compost this year to do my entire garden. Pretty soon, my garden will be as much compost piles as garden area. The compost I did spread feels so good, the worms love it and I see the cats have been having a great time with that nice, cool, friable compost. The squirrels love it for horse chestnut burials. Thankfully, they are easy to pull out before they sprout or after. 


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