Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Don on November 9, 2014 at 11:10am

I used to grow potatoes here in northern Vermont (fingerlings and red potatoes) for the pleasure of it and because I like the look of the plants, even though keeping after the potato beetles can be a real chore.  But lately I prefer to use the garden space for other things.  The farmers' markets offer all kinds of varieties, and the local commercial growers sell white potatoes at $2.99 for 10 pounds.  Can't beat that. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 9, 2014 at 11:05am

Daniel, Many different ways to do things ....  

Yep, I agree and the reason for my post awhile ago about being overwhelmed with information and ideas.  

Like your statement about if it grows it grows and if it dies, so be it. All we can do is use good growing techniques and then wait.

I'm inclined to think my final plan with include several fruit trees - regular and dwarf - and they will be pruned down so I can readily pick the fruit from them. :)  Your orchard is truly a fine example of what can be done. I can only imagine what it will be like once all your trees are producing. You'll be able to have a roadside stand to recoup some of your expenses!


Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 10:43am

potatoes for $1 so why grow your own?


Valid question - if it costs the gardener more to grow them than to buy at Winco or Aldi or Walmart, why grow your own?

my thoughts-

-if your perpetuate your own seed potatoes, it becomes free as far as money is concerned

-there is a connection to earth and soil, especially locally, when you grow your own.  I can't describe that.  I feel it.

-maintaining the tradition, means the process is less mysterious.  It's really easy, and minimal effort, but somehow coming from the grocery store it seems like expertise is needed.

-your own potatoes, I hope, are not laden with herbicides and pesticides.

-continue multi strains, especially locally adapted and individualistic for flavor, novelty, local productivity.

-genetic diversity.  Industrialized growing means dependence on a very small # of strains, unwise and unsafe and dependent on corporate ag.

- I thought my home grown potatoes were bursting with flavor.  One becomes so accustomed to store potatoes, tasting like cardboard, we really don't realize that potatoes are intended to be delicious.

Those are my thoughts added to the article.  I intend to continue growing potatoes next year.

Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 9:00am

Barbara, thanks for the info.  I have not read about Masanobu Fukuoka's methods.  Will have to look into that. 

Just about the direct opposite, the "Backyard Orchard Culture" method allows for very close placement of fruit trees, keeping them to small size for maximum diversity in a small space.  Of course, that is promoted by a fruit tree nursery, and would sell more trees.  But it has a point. 

Many different ways to do things.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 9, 2014 at 8:35am

Daniel, have you read anything about Masanobu Fukuoka's method of growing fruit trees - no pruning?  He was the mentor of Larry Korn the lecturer on permaculture I'm currently listening to. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 9, 2014 at 7:40am

Wow, busy site here! I had to go back 3 "pages" worth of comments.

Daniel, just from experience, I'd say persimmons are not self-pollinating. Although to prove it, I'd have to cut down my 4 "males". They have never had "babies"! And I have a lone pear tree that is prolific in fruit production. I like your orchard set up. Fingers crossed you have a good year in '15.

Barbara, Chris, and Joan: I enjoy reading your back and forth comments! Love to read what others are doing. Inspirational.

Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 7:39am

Joan, I think here the permaculture idea would need to be less focused on water conservation, and more on other aspects such as food forest.

Most likely, my little orchard fits into the food forest idea.  Many different species, many different cultivars of each.  Some will flourish, grow, bear fruit.  Some wont.  Evolution on 2 acres, as the ones that don't grow die and are forgotten, and the ones that do grow, grow.

Yesterday I ordered one semidwarf apple, to replace a little apple tree that I planted 2 falls ago and for some reason it didn't survive.   This is a 4-variety multigraft, and will be large enough for me to add more if scion is available.  Also two for containers, that can be hauled into the garage for a killing frost or freeze - a genetic dwarf apricot and an olive, for play. 

I use mostly plastic or wooden containers.  Clay dries out so much in summer, and develops too much salty crust with my hard water.  Will check on research, there probably is some.

Comment by Plinius on November 9, 2014 at 3:11am

Thanks Joan! A good video with a beautiful positive sound!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:47pm

Barbara, I didn't get that far to see there was a cost. I just read "free" something or other. There is so much information on the internet, I don't think paying for classes is necessary. I would love, however, to go for a series in Australia with Geoff. That isn't going to happen and besides, I don't want to travel any more. That is out of my system. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 11:47pm

With the high heat on my patio using plastic pots just cooked the plants. Smart Pots are made of a fabric type material that allows the plants to breath, and they allow the plants to self prune. The one aspect of smart pots is that you can use a heavier soil in them and are not restricted to potting soil. And as I told Chris, you can grow anything from a small flower up to a tree in them.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GrnTSXsFKI


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