Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 7:39am

Joan, I think here the permaculture idea would need to be less focused on water conservation, and more on other aspects such as food forest.

Most likely, my little orchard fits into the food forest idea.  Many different species, many different cultivars of each.  Some will flourish, grow, bear fruit.  Some wont.  Evolution on 2 acres, as the ones that don't grow die and are forgotten, and the ones that do grow, grow.

Yesterday I ordered one semidwarf apple, to replace a little apple tree that I planted 2 falls ago and for some reason it didn't survive.   This is a 4-variety multigraft, and will be large enough for me to add more if scion is available.  Also two for containers, that can be hauled into the garage for a killing frost or freeze - a genetic dwarf apricot and an olive, for play. 

I use mostly plastic or wooden containers.  Clay dries out so much in summer, and develops too much salty crust with my hard water.  Will check on research, there probably is some.

Comment by Plinius on November 9, 2014 at 3:11am

Thanks Joan! A good video with a beautiful positive sound!

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:47pm

Barbara, I didn't get that far to see there was a cost. I just read "free" something or other. There is so much information on the internet, I don't think paying for classes is necessary. I would love, however, to go for a series in Australia with Geoff. That isn't going to happen and besides, I don't want to travel any more. That is out of my system. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 11:47pm

With the high heat on my patio using plastic pots just cooked the plants. Smart Pots are made of a fabric type material that allows the plants to breath, and they allow the plants to self prune. The one aspect of smart pots is that you can use a heavier soil in them and are not restricted to potting soil. And as I told Chris, you can grow anything from a small flower up to a tree in them.  www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GrnTSXsFKI

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 11:37pm

Joan, I did NOT sign up for classes - they are about $525 with a discounted amount of $375+-.  I'm just watching the free videos available - just click on the Lectures button.  

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:24pm

Daniel, I wonder what permaculture has to say about wet soils such as you have. Well, another search is on. See you later. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 11:23pm

I have never used "Smart Pots". Has anyone else? I very much like clay pots because they allow the roots to access oxygen as well as moisture. 

I am going to get smart pots, a plastic container, and a clay pot to grow potatoes in next year and see which I like the best.

I didn't have nearly enough compost this year to do my entire garden. Pretty soon, my garden will be as much compost piles as garden area. The compost I did spread feels so good, the worms love it and I see the cats have been having a great time with that nice, cool, friable compost. The squirrels love it for horse chestnut burials. Thankfully, they are easy to pull out before they sprout or after. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2014 at 10:13pm

Barbara, I tried to sign up for the classes, but the site wouldn't let me process until I took off the Ad Blockers I have on my computer. I don't know how to do that. Laura is coming to town and I will have her teach me how to do it. I have a couple of other problem I need help with. I am so grateful my daughter and son-in-law are so generous with their time. 

I am absolute klutz with technology. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 8, 2014 at 9:52pm

Daniel,   I read and then re-read an article on pollination vs. self-pollination when I first decided to get fruit trees. I understand that even if tree is self-polinating it will be produce more heavily if it is cross-polinated, as appears is the case with your pears. As usual I'm a wee bit envious of you and the other serious gardeners on here. 

Joan, Thanks for additional videos. Will watch tomorrow.

I've watched three lectures (3 hours) of the permaculture site I posted before. He confirmed my original thought that permaculture is not "neat and tidy", but does look a bit messy. However, there is a method to it, a method of arranging plants together so they benefit each other. A system of helping the earth recover from all the damage we have done to it.  Love what the man said is the Permaculture Ethic: 1. Care of the Earth, 2. Care of People, 3. Share all Surplus. - and some people think - 4. Limit consumption & Be concerned about population growth. 

Chris, Have you heard of "Smart Pots"?  Because of high heat I use them on my patio area. They come in various sizes and you can even grow small trees in them. When no longer needed you simply empty them and fold up for storage. Other advantage is not having to move around heavy pots. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 8, 2014 at 8:01pm
Barbara, the persimmons and most if the peaches are considered self pollinating. The paw paws require a second variety and probably a human with a paintbrush. Paw paws are very picky, and need flies, not bees, to pollenize them, and the stigmas are only receptive before their own anthers start producing. The apples, plums, and some of the cherries require a second variety. I have been adding grafts of second varieties to some, to have that within the same tree. Figs do not need a pollenizer. Mulberries, none needed. Pears do need a second variety. I had a large crop of asian pears this year, for the first time. That may be because the pollinizing varieties ploomed and also I played the bee transferring pollen from each to the other.

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