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Comment by Plinius on February 21, 2017 at 11:35am

That sounds good, Kathy, large yards in quiet neighbourhoods! I enjoy the countryside enormously but I think I´d feel lost after so many years in apartments.

Comment by Daniel W on February 21, 2017 at 9:58am

Kathy, that's interesting about the persimmons in KY.  I've read there are two subspecies of American persimmon, one with 60 chromosomes and one with 90 chromosomes.  I suspect the 90s are a 1/2 replication of the 60s.  They do not cross pollinate or hybridize.  The Asian persimmons are also 90s, and those do hybridize with the American 90s.  I THINK the northern ones are the 90s.  Yours might be 60s.  That's my wild guess.

I think small towns might work for me if people were less repressive to people like me.  I was a small town / farm boy.  Cities are too much hustle and bustle.  But I do love my 2 acres.

Comment by kathy: ky on February 21, 2017 at 9:33am
Chris, I've always preferred town. But I was fortunate to have lived in places with very large yards in quiet neighborhoods.
I had a small garden that produced well. And a strawberry patch that was also productive. I had even planted a blackberry patch and two peach trees but moved before they became mature.
Comment by kathy: ky on February 21, 2017 at 9:23am
Daniel, the persimmon trees here are small. Not much larger than a dwarf peach tree.
Comment by Daniel W on February 21, 2017 at 9:16am

A permaculture orchard in Quebec.

At one point he says "honey locust" where I think he means "honey locust" as a nitrogen fixing tree. I planted clover for nitrogen.   He's about 10 times as ambitious as I am.  It's fun to look at.

Comment by Daniel W on February 21, 2017 at 9:04am

Randy, I know what it's like hauling dirt in wheelbarrows!  I've hauled dozens of loads.  One load at a time, and it's eventually done!

That sounds about like I would do.  I can't seem to avoid planting trees.  Here are some big tree types that I planted in the past 5 years -

American linden

European Linden

Crimson Maple

Norway Maple

Bigleaf Maple

Multiple Ginkgo biloba trees, grown from seeds

Multiple Leyland Cypress at near property line.

And next, those chestnuts.

I think that's about all of the big trees that I'm going to plant, but I've said that before.  It does not include the orchard, which is about 40 fruit trees.  Also, I don't know how big the persimmons will get, whether they count as big trees or not.  They might.

Have you thought about the apple and plum varieties?  Do you have others to provide pollen?

Comment by Randall Smith on February 21, 2017 at 7:03am

Thanks, all, for the suggestions on what to do with my "bare patch". A greenhouse would be nice, but my kids have 6 of them with all the winter greens I need. The shed in the picture is my wood shed (I built). It used to be the site of a hen house, but I have never wanted animals--chickens or goats, etc.

I'm thinking trees, perhaps 4 of them--fruit and nut. You've got me thinking chestnut. I need a new apple tree and a plum. I don't have an English walnut either.

I've already hauled 30 wheelbarrow loads of dirt with about 10 more to go, I think. I'm getting the dirt from a huge berm mound across the road. It can't be mowed and is/was an eyesore. 

Comment by Daniel W on February 20, 2017 at 9:05pm

Kathy Ive seen that happen with black walnuts and with hazelnuts.  I think chestnuts are even more perishable.

I ordered the trees.  It may take the nursery a few weeks to send them.

Comment by kathy: ky on February 20, 2017 at 8:17pm
I bought a large bag of fresh pecans one time. They well dried up on the inside. Until then I don't think I knew nuts in the shell could go stale.
Comment by Daniel W on February 20, 2017 at 9:46am

Spud, I wonder if the chestnuts that you tried were just not fresh enough?  from what I read, now is too late in the season to get fresh ones.  Maybe they are like other foods, grocery store versions are not nearly as good as fresh out of a farm or garden.  That is pure speculation on my part, I really don't know. There are also many varieties, and not all have the same flavor.

Since you guys got me on a chestnut buzz, here is an article about the demise of the vast forests of American...  Sad, and parallels the demise of Elms.   The good side of the story is, there are new varieties and hybrids that resist the blight, and there seems to be a resurgence of interest in growing them.  Maybe some human-guided evolution will give us new forests of chestnut.  They will need to tolerate changing climate as well, a wildcard that will need the incredible diversity of evolution, human-guided and random, for forests to thrive.


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