Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 30, 2014 at 8:17pm

Daniel, have you ever created a bonsai? I never have. This pepper looks like an idea for one of the over-winter vegetables. Who would have thought of a vegetable for bonsai? 

Your "Red Portugal" will brighten up you winter days. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 30, 2014 at 12:30pm

Barbara, talk about your warm sunny days all you like!  Each of our climates has good points and challenges.  You can grow citrus but not apples.  I can grow apples but not citrus.  What I would REALLY like to grow successfully is peaches and apricots.  The USDA climate zone is OK, but apricots bloom before first frost, and having come out of dormancy, they die,  Peaches are susceptible to a disease that proliferates in rainy late winter.  I found peach varieties that are considered resistant, but apricots....   next I will try a containerized dwarf that I can keep in shelter North of the house to help it bloom later, and bring inside if needed.  Might work, might not.

I love your sweet potato idea.  They also don't do well here, possibly as much due to slugs that eat them to nothingness, as to the climate.

I put cardboard down, then covered it with leaf mulch.  In some areas, with wood chip mulch.  The cardboard will degrade here fairly fast, due to the wet.  In your climate, it might last longer.  What I like about it, is it tends to smother weeds until the mulch cover settles in.

I look at mistakes as being like the little  branches on a growing tree.  They continue to grow upward, and the little low branches either fall off or we prune them off.  Meanwhile the tree continues to grow upward. 

I admire what you are doing with the Hegelkultur.  It sounds like something with a lot of promise,

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 30, 2014 at 11:39am


Thanks for the Bill Mollison post.  I'm working my way through Toby Hemenway's "Gaia's" Garden", and continue to watch Geoff Lawton's seminars. I've also found a couple local permaculture groups which I'm sure will add to my knowledge.

The amazing thing, at least to me, is how many mistakes I made in just getting started and will have to correct.  The principle that 'Nature hates bare ground' - and will use whatever is available to heal it - wind, rain, or birds to bring in seeds was new to me. The healing is usually thought of as weeds by us humans. I thought I would do a good thing by getting all my beds ready for planting in the Spring.  

Nature didn't like my idea of just adding compost to the bare beds and leaving them to meditate over the next three or four months - we had extremely high winds and rain for two days and when I went out to look at lawn a couple days later - ALL the beds had been "healed" by Nature and all had little green sprouts in them.   Back to the drawing board. I went to local grocery and came home with a trunkload of cardboard.  This next week I'll replace the cardboard with leaves I've gathered from the neighborhood. 

One other point - Nature doesn't do things in straight lines according to Mr. Hemenway.  As I stood and looked at my backyard all my beds have nice straight lines, squared off neatly and surrounded by stones.  Ahhhhh, back to the drawing board where I will remove stones and put them back once things have been planted in a flowing natural way - if then.

I always thought of myself as missing the gene of visualization and it was damn frustrating not being able to visualize what I wanted my garden to look like.  Then I discovered the Principles of Permaculture design and NUMBER ONE on the list is - Observation. To sit, stand, walk quetly around the area.  Observe movement of the sun, wind, water, and other physical aspects over a period of time. Observe physical limitations and benefits.

My little dog likes me to go with him to do his business in the back yard ... and now I use that time to observe what is there and what might grow best in a particular area.  It's not so much about visualizing what I want to grow, but rather what will be happiest in a particular area.  Which plants will grow together in a that section of the yard, which plants will withstand the wind, which plants need shade of the tree.

I'm allergic to all plants of the nightshade family and as much I choose to ignore it from time to time, I always wind up paying the penalty for doing so. Thus, I'm giving up the idea of growing regular potatoes in a tower, and am concentrating on sweet potatoes. When I realized the benefits of doing it right I wanted to laugh out loud. Sweet potatoes do not like cold and love hot and dry- I live in hot and dry So Tx.  Sweet potatoes don't require alot of water - we are under water restrictions.  Sweet potatoes make a great ground cover - I can plant among my fruit trees and won't have to water as much as well as planting in other areas instead of growing water thirsty grass and can grow buckwheat or other nitrogren plants once I've harvested the sweet potatoes - and the best part - I love sweet potatoes and I'm not allergic to them.

I guess its pretty obvious why I've become a devotee of permaculture. I've discovered I might not be able to visualize like others, but I sure can observe ... 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 30, 2014 at 10:57am

Going back through posts - Ugh! many of you have nasty weather so I won't mention our sunny warm days. :)

Finished putting together my hugelkultur bed. Now that leaves are falling here in So Tx I was able to rake and stuff them into and around all the wood, and finally covering completely with compost.

Randall, I went to library to get book you recommended only to discover that I had already read it and taken from it the design for my veggie garden. First acknowledgement here of memory issues. :(

You have to be mindful of things you feed your worms. Last night I opened box to feed them and discovered 6" sprouts coming out of shredded paper. Have no idea what they are although I think some kind of bean.  

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 30, 2014 at 10:44am

Daniel, all the descriptions of the apples made me want to order some!  I imagine the chilling hours required for each of them are pretty high, eh?  We only get 400 to 600 hours here so we are limited in varieties.  Nice post though. :)

Comment by Randall Smith on November 30, 2014 at 7:51am

"Banana" peppers aren't too bad. I think the secret, for me, is simply adding them to dishes, like omelets, not eating them plain.

Oddly, I put capsaisin cream on my thumb joints as a relief for my osteo-arthritis. It really works.  Get it on your lips, however, and ZOWIE!

Comment by Daniel W on November 29, 2014 at 10:31am

Forgot - here's that "Red Portugal".  I also have a Tabasco in another window - not sure what to do with that because the peppers are too hot for me to handle.

Comment by Daniel W on November 29, 2014 at 10:29am

To me, hot peppers / chilis vs. blocky bell peppers, are totally different things, even thought they are the same genus and many are the same species.  I'm not crazy about the big green peppers.   I also like the small peppers in like you mention GC.  Some have a very fruity flavor, with or without the heat.   Like anything home grown, I think the ones you grow taste better than the ones you buy.  I like mildly hot.  10 years ago I liked superhot but I changed. 

I have a "Portugal Red" that I started from seed last Xmas.  It was in a container on the deck for most of 2014.  I moved it into the sunroom a month ago.  It doesn't look "happy" about its circumstances, but is alive, colorful, and I like the novelty of eating home grown fresh peppers in December.

Peppers are not a good houseplant.  They tend to get aphids and "the dwindles" during the winter.  Even so, some gardeners keep them for years, growing into bushes or trees.

Great for stir fries, casseroles, pasta sauce, and sandwiches.


Comment by Grinning Cat on November 29, 2014 at 10:04am

Randy, I find that red bell peppers (also orange and yellow to some degree) taste noticeably sweet and not at all like green peppers. They might be worth a try.

I've also seen these sold in a small, "Sweet Mini Peppers" variety. Just like green bell peppers, these have no capsaicin heat -- zero Scoville units.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 29, 2014 at 7:38am

Daniel, I like the looks of the bonsai pepper plant. However, I'm not a big pepper fan. I think it goes back to when I was a kid and was forced to eat a stuffed green pepper. It was awful. I'm a little better now--at least I try. I like 'em dehydrated.


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