Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 180
Latest Activity: yesterday

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Old and Green. Gardening with an older body.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo yesterday. 33 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo on Friday. 0 Replies

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

Growing Tomatoes in Martian Soil

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 7. 6 Replies

Bring On The Soldier Flies!

Started by Joan Denoo Jun 5. 0 Replies

Urban Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 3. 1 Reply

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 27, 2014 at 9:29am

Thanks Joan.  Inspiring film.  I will begin to my plant trees in a few more days.

I met a gentleman at one of my local meetings and we talked about gardening. Thursday he brought me a well worn baggie full of seeds with no label. He said they were from 'his country'. I think somewhere in Asia. He wouldn't tell me what they were just that it was edible, said it was a surprise. I guess I'll be introducing a "non-native" to my garden. Will be fun to see IF they grow and if they do, what they are.  

I believe most of the gardeners on this site know a tad more than "diddly" ... plant on! 

Comment by Randall Smith on December 27, 2014 at 7:35am

Daniel speaks for me, too, when he says "I don't know diddly squat" (a midwestern phrase?). That's why I stay out of the permaculture, hugalkultur, Texas soil, etc., discussions. Is ignorance bliss?

1491 was a very good book, on par with A World Without Us (Weinstein).

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 26, 2014 at 10:17pm

I Googled Permaculture, Amazon Rain Forest, renewal. Here is one site, Permaculture: Pioneering Amazon Rainforest Regeneration. I found the video at 

Comment by Daniel W on December 26, 2014 at 10:00pm

Barbara, I find out every day how I don't know diddly squat.  We are all on a learning road, which starts way back when, and we don't know where it will go.

1491 by Charles Mann is a great read.  I've read it 2 or 3 times.  It kind of blows away the idea that the Americas were an unpopulated virgin continent, in a state of pristine wildness.  Certainly, we have fully transformed the continents into something else entirely, and much not for the better.I won't do a detailed argument about the linked article.  I have issues with a lot of the arguments, especially the truism that nonnative=bad.  Although, I think WE are the most destructive non-native on the continent.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 26, 2014 at 10:19am

In the garden, I think earthworms really are our friends.

I agree. It seems the more I learn about proper techniques of tending my little space, the more I realize how much I don't know.  The book you refer to, 1491, is definitely new reading material for me. 

Comment by Daniel W on December 26, 2014 at 8:50am
I think that earthworm genie is out if the bottle. Most of the preColumbian US was not the pristine untouched forest we are taught - per the book 1491 the continent was managed and farmed, in a different way. some criticsl forest species are gone forever - chestnuts snd elms. there are diseases and insects that were not there before. There are new tree snd plant species. The rain is more acidic,probably so is the soil, the rain oatterns have changed, and the climate is changing. I dont think we can go back. Only forward. i hope the new species may well be better adapted than what was there before.

In the garden, I think earthworms really are our friends.
Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 26, 2014 at 6:22am

GC, Thanks for link. Not sure why I can't seem to post ones that actually work. 

Comment by Grinning Cat on December 25, 2014 at 11:51pm

A working link to "The Trouble With Worms":


("... Pennsylvania's forests evolved without earthworms .... The key to health in the Keystone state's forests resides in a fungal-based soil that slowly decomposes its organic matter.... Earthworms are notorious disturbers of soil. Their disturbance creates healthy conditions for farms and gardens, but unhealthy conditions for forests....")

Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 25, 2014 at 10:33pm

Just when we think we are doing good ... I sat at a dinner table with an "expert on all things" this evening and after discussing 'black holes' I mentioned permaculture and we wound up discussing worms.  He informed me that not all worms are good and that in Pennsylvania and areas of the northeast they are studying ways to combat them.  Yep, earthworms.  I found it hard to believe and came home and Googled it ... my results:


This is what the guy was talking about.  Any comments?  Joan, since we are the ones raising worms I wondered what you make of it?

Comment by Daniel W on December 25, 2014 at 2:20pm
Barbara Im glad your vacuum mulcher is working. It sounds like a great tool!

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