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Comment by Daniel W on November 10, 2016 at 10:40am

Joan, that makes sense I guess.  It's an important issue to Laura, in her area.  Maybe it's the fallen leaves that burn so easily and start the conflagration. Maybe a deciduous tree with small leaves would be less concerning because they don't collect as much, but I don't know.

Here is another type of persimmon from my orchard.  They are big, a Japanese variety called "Saijo".   The nursery websites claim that means, "The very best" in Japanese.  Always being the skeptic, I looked that up on Google Translate, and it comes back as "Talented Woman".  Regardless, it's delicious.  I think the NIkita's Gift Asian/American hybrid has a more complex flavor, but both are delicious.

The photo is Saijo, with a couple of Nikita's Gift for comparison.  The NG are more squat and red, Saijo more oblong and orange.  The original Saijo tree is supposedly still alive in Japan, something like 600 years old.  NG was developed in Yalta in the Ukraine as an attempt to grow persimmons in the colder Russian climate, by crossing the larger Asian persimmons Diospyros kaki,  with smaller, hardier American persimmon Diospyros virgiana.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 9, 2016 at 10:28am

A deciduous tree catches sparks, leaps into flame and starts the conifers like a hot ember, especially during drought. The conifers burn the oils and pith and creating massive torches.

I could be wrong. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2016 at 10:03am

You're right, Randy.  When I am out puttering around my garden and fruit trees, I pretty much escape in a meditation-like state.  That's where I need to be.

Joan, Im surprised that deciduous trees would increase fire risk.  All of my mental images of forest fires, are of Western firs and pines.  But what do I know?

I dont know about ginkgo dry tolerance.  The leaves are quite waxy.  They tolerate pollution better than most.  The most complete compilation of ginkgo information is on a website created by a teacher - I think - in The Netherlands.  The Ginkgo Pages

My hobby orchard is a very peaceful place.  I nurture and guide the trees via pruning, grafting, mulch, fencing to protect the trees.  They respond by growing, and blooming, and producing the most delicious and often interesting fruits.  Much better than I can buy.  It is a refuge and a bit of an adventure.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 9, 2016 at 7:09am

The one good thing about a garden, food, the weather, nature, golf, my bowel movements, etc., etc., is: they are nonpolitical. "What, me worry?"

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 8, 2016 at 4:09pm

Wouldn't you know it, people get dramatic about the littlest things! I wish I had room here at my Spokane home; Laura doesn't want deciduous trees planted because of the fire risks. The forest isn't drying out now, however, we are making a lot of room for the fire barrier. They have no springs on their property or streams. The water comes from wells and it takes every bit of well water to service their two homes that draw from it. 

I understand Ginkgos tolerate dry as well as wet. Is that your experience? There is a piece of property lower than their place that has lots of springs, streams, and a high water table. I sure would like to own that piece of group for an orchard.  

Comment by Daniel W on November 8, 2016 at 2:56pm

Joan, I don't thinkg the ginko seeds are that bad.  Nature can have some stinky things.  I think the smell is butyric acid, which also flavors some fermented foods.    People like to be dramatic.

I collected another bag of seeds over the past couple of weeks.  Why?  I don't know.  I would not have places to plant the trees if they all grow.  There is a method that Chinese cooks use to make the seeds into a nut, but I don't know it and neither does Ning.

My largest and oldest ginkgo tree is definitely a male.  It bloomed last year with male catkins.  I was happy about that, because that makes it much less likely for someone to get irritated about the stinky seeds and cut it down.  I used that as a source of scion, and grafted onto three seedling trees that I started 2 or 3 years ago.  Two grafts took.  We'll see how they do next year.

I don't know how close a male tree needs to be for the females to produce seeds.  I know several trees within 2 miles of my house, each producing seeds with no other gingko tree within a few blocks.

Taking a break today, election day.  Yesterday hauled another truckload of tree leaves for my orchard mulch.  Fifteen fruit trees are now tucked in for the winter, about ten more to go.  One of the neighbors called me "The leaf angel" because I cleaned up his yard for a truckload of leaves.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 7, 2016 at 10:39pm

Daniel, I enjoyed the avocado & ghosts of evolution videos and story of the female Gingko biloba 

Ginkgo Trees Stink Up Cities When Seeds Fall

"[T]he seeds smell something like a mix of vomit and putrid cheese."

"When young, female ginkgos—the seed-producing kind—are impossible to tell apart from male trees. It takes a female at least 25 years to produce its first seeds, and even then, only females planted within close vicinity of a male end up doing so."

"Ginkgo seeds smell horrible, and their toxic flesh may cause rashes. But every fall, they are at the center of a citywide scavenger hunt.

“We eat them,” Wang Tong said as she looked for fallen seeds under several ginkgo trees."

"At over 200 million years old, they survived whatever killed the dinosaurs, and some of them withstood the atomic bomb blast that struck Hiroshima in 1945.

“They leafed out again the following spring,” said Peter Crane, dean of Yale University’s school of forestry and author of a recent book on the ginkgo tree"

This is, indeed, a remarkable tree. I tried repeatedly to get one started in my west garden and they just did not like the soil or the air or the neighbors. Happily, you were able to get them to grow, Daniel. Have any of them turned out to be female?

The photo of your Persimmons look so festive. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 5, 2016 at 7:13am
'Tis the season--for persimmons and pears. That's about the only fruits I eat now--with added raspberries.
I've had so many "reds", I've made 9 gallons of raspberry wine!
Comment by kathy: ky on November 4, 2016 at 3:46pm
Bertold, the cactus is beautiful. I put mine outside, in heavy shade and leave it until the first frost is forecasted. I brought it in about two weeks ago and the blooms are just starting to open.

Daniel, what's a hyacinthiode? Like a Hyacinth? I'm not familiar.
Comment by Idaho Spud on November 4, 2016 at 2:04pm

Daniel, interesting videos about Avocados and Ginko.

I used to like Bananas and Avocados a lot, but my old tasting apparatus tells me they are rather bland now, so I don't eat them anymore.  But I'm going to try some Avocados again because that video said they're a natural laxative, and I could use anything that gets things moving.  Especially naturally.


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