Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 176
Latest Activity: on Sunday

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on September 7, 2014 at 11:08am

Joan, thanks for the video on removing grass.  That is exactly why I bought the tiller.  As I said in previous post I dug out space between houses on my hands and knees and there is just too much space left for me to even think about doing with a spade/shovel, and I can either pay someone to do it or have money for plants. 

I used tarps and killed the grass in a 40' x 4' bed, and I had planed to rake up the dead grass and then till it good, adding amendments. I thought if I tilled it good, then planted and used plenty of mulch it would be okay. I didn't realize that even though the grass in the area is dead, dead, dead that there would still be grass seeds in it.   

Tarps came off 40' x 4' bed along fence.


It was my hope to turn the major part of my lawn into an edible landscape, saving some space for the dogs to play.  However, I was going to use the tiller to create more beds that will include, a Hugelkulture and two others using the OLLAS. That is in addition to getting rid of the grass for berry bushes, space for potatoes, etc. etc.

I'm physically active, however, I know I'm not active enough to dig all of this up with a spade or shovel ...


So it appears I need to purchase a great deal of plastic sheeting. :)

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 7, 2014 at 11:02am

Barbara, your walkway and patio look nice.

Comment by Bertold Brautigan on September 7, 2014 at 10:40am

About a year ago I bit the bullet and installed the Invisible Fence, and it's working like a charm for my three little monsters from the shelter. Their lives and mine have been so much easier!

Comment by Barbara Livingston on September 7, 2014 at 10:30am

Spud, your cute picture pretty much says it all.  I'm also guilty of the "Lily, No!" aspect of it.  She is simply wunnnerful in puppy class, and yet at home she won't respond to the same commands.  

Randall, I know for sure my two would be two subdivisions away if I let them out the front door. Simply too much to explore.  Rio is pretty good in the park and he gets to be offleash - Lily may NEVER reach that point and that is why she gets a 40 minute walk in the park on leash every morning.  She has soooo much energy to burn off watching tv in the evening is impossible without playtime in the yard after supper. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on September 7, 2014 at 10:27am

Joan, This Spring I began my efforts with the 12' space between my house and neighbors. Reflection off the siding of both houses creates an oven on my patio - temp registers 140 on my thermometer.  In March I removed the grass - actually I paid a guy to do it, became so frustrated with his work ethic that I sent him home early and finished it myself on my hands and knees.

I planted heat/drought tolerant plants (salvia greggi, yarrow, zinnias, salvia leucantha) with the intention of making my patio and the walkway area look 'cooler'. I bought 5 trellises for the patio and planted vines in smart pots at their bases.  For the walkway I used some pavers that previous owner left behind, and I bought a few additional bricks. I then planted a few thyme and alot of dichondra.  The heat made short work of the dicondra and the weeds came raging back in the walkway. The first really cool morning I'm going to attack the weeds again, and this time I'm going to plant creeping thyme throughout the walkway area.  I use mulch from the city recycling center for the beds and have not had a problem other than an occasional weed pop up. 

Because of the high heat and humidity that zinnias became covered by powdery mildew by mid July and I wound up pulling them out, the yarrow seems to be gasping most of the time and never flowered or grew much.  I'm going to be adding more Salvia Greggi and mabe a few smaller salvia, and maybe some cactus, and just not attempt flowers in the walkway anymore. I should mention, as you look at 1st picture the left side is in deep shade until about 1:00 and then gets blasted until sunset. Next to my house gets sun all day long. By mid afternoon even the dogs don't want to go out!  

Comment by Randall Smith on September 7, 2014 at 7:30am

Barbara, my newly adopted pound dog is a sweetheart, but she wants to run down to the neighbors, a quarter mile away. Last night, I let her out to pee, and away she went. At 10:30, I drove down to retrieve her, holding back my anger, nary a scold.

Joan, good info on getting rid of sod, etc. My terrace isn't as nice looking as Zac's. Good job.

Comment by Plinius on September 7, 2014 at 1:04am

I can't stop looking at the big trees, Joan! But the terrace is well done!

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 11:59pm

Sorry to keep adding more, but ran across this site. 

How to Grow Your Own Food: Potato Tower Update

Use straw, not hay because straw doesn't have seeds in it. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 11:49pm

Another option is to cover the grass with a black plastic, with no light getting to the blades of grass. Leave it until the grass is dead and then till it. The problem with this method, is the seeds that remain in the sod will sprout and you will have a few years of pulling out every little shoot that peaks its blade above ground.

I use a root feeder without putting the fertilizer in the container. I push the rod into the ground beside the sprig of grass, turn on the water and let it soak for a minute or more. When the grass shoot is loosened from the soil, I just lift it out, with the entire root. 

I have wooly thyme growing around my dining area and it gets grass seeds in it all the time, blown in by the wind or birds. Each seed produces grass and a root that grows quicker than can be imagined. I use the tool two or three time a year to keep the thyme grass free. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 11:28pm

Barbara, what a wonderful little dog, and full of personality. Looks like a great companion. Those floppy ears would make one laugh, just watching her. 


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