Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 179
Latest Activity: on Friday

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by Joan Denoo on July 9, 2016 at 12:51pm

Chris, your photo of your garden is lovely. I like the color of your hollyhock. The berry plant sent me on a hunt, and I learned something I did not know. Surely I learned it in my horticulture courses a hundred years ago or so at Washington State University where my major was horticulture. However, it is new to me now.   

"Brambles respond significantly to pruning and cane management, but these practices can be the most expensive and time-consuming part of an operation. There is no one procedure for all bramble types. Each type requires its approach to pruning and cane management."

Cane management in raspberries blackberries


~ Pruning Raspberries and Blackberries, Cornell University 


Both cane management articles include both primocane and floricane 

These excellent articles on cane management come at a right time for me. My neighbor and I agreed to take out all the ivy. He rebuilt my wooden fence that fell, and I plan to replant raspberries all along the property line. He hated the ivy, agrees with the raspberries. 

You inspire me to get out into my garden and stop being a slug. 

Comment by Daniel W on July 9, 2016 at 12:51pm

Joan, Tayberries are a cross between blackberry and raspberry.

Kathy, I don't know a vine for your purpose.  Not kudzu!  :-)

I looked up bee plants on a variety of websites before planting here.  I also went to local nurseries and hung out watching which plants were the bees foraging there. wikipedia has a good list, along with whether plants are minor or major sources.  I forgot about sumac, which I also planted along my property edge.

It's not a vine, but clovers can do really well. 

Comment by Daniel W on July 9, 2016 at 12:43pm

Chris, the local deer have the ability to jump over 6 foot tall fences.  I would have to spend more than $5,000 to fence my area to keep them off the property.  So I make do with fencing individual trees and beds.  Rabbits, on the other hand, can get through the smallest spaces, and voles even smaller.

I try not to view them as enemies, more as annoying irritating relatives who, when they visit, you have to lock up the silverware and keep your favorite cookied hidden in a tin under the bed.

But, answering your question, I am building wooded banks along one edge, which slopes into somewhat of a ravine.  We had rotted tree trunks in our yard, which I rolled there to decay and build up the forest, and I planted a row of Cyprus trees. Also some aspens, to hold the soil in place.

Chris, do you use your mint in cooking?  So far, all I've figured out for mint is to make a tisane.

Joan, I learn constantly from you.  Thank you.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 9, 2016 at 12:07pm

I learned something new today, thanks to Chris and Daniel 

Comment by Plinius on July 9, 2016 at 11:51am

Thanks for the kind comments! Floricane could well be the answer, Daniel, the one branch in flower is probably from last year. So I'll let it grow - the neighbour isn't screaming yet.

Now that the teaching season is over I've started to make bokashi again, it's great compost for containers. I use it even for houseplants and they grow like mad. Then there's a lot to do in the garden as many seedlings drowned in the excessive rain, but the mint was very happy and grew into a big bush.

Do you build wooded banks for your backyard sanctuary, Daniel? They might keep some animals out.

Comment by Joan Denoo on July 9, 2016 at 11:41am

Is this a tayberry? 

Comment by k.h. ky on July 9, 2016 at 11:41am
Daniel, I turned a twenty ft perimeter around the, two acre, fence into wild growth. Which is currently weeds and wildflowers. I've put in a few things but it's mostly shade that won't support many flowers.
Comment by k.h. ky on July 9, 2016 at 11:37am
I've decided to plant the hugelculter bed in flowers for the bees and butterflies. First I thought morning glories but they are invasive in this area. I need something similar. That grows low to the ground and provides for the beneficial insects.

Any ideas from anyone ??
Comment by Daniel W on July 9, 2016 at 10:19am

Pumpkins are enlarging day by day.

Tigridias blooming

Comment by Daniel W on July 9, 2016 at 10:12am

Kathy, I've grown frustrated about what people and communities do to "neaten up" the fence rows and roadways, and their lawns and yards.  I did put up signs on my fences, showing that my 2 acres are registered with the state as "Backyard wildlife habitat".  That is my attempt at propaganda, plus to keep the neighbors from complaining too much.

The state website actually tells people to leave more vegetation.  So I have that support, if neighbors complain.

My site is on a slope.  I thought the Joe Pye Weed and milkweed did not survive the winter, and put in some recycled concrete chunks to terrace that area.  They chunks were almost on top of the Joe Pye Weed.  It grew anyway, but may not be as tall.  Some of the milkweeds got catnip planted almost on top of them, but they did OK.  One did very well, is so fragrant and beautiful.  I want to save more seeds from that to plant more next year.

This is not all inclusive, but I planted the following to support bees and native pollinating insects -

4 European lindens for nectar and pollen

1 American linden for nectar and pollen

1 Sourwood for nectar and pollen

A row of willow for pollen

plus we replaced to big patches of lawn with wildflower meadow.  The meadow has been evolving, in spring is mostly California poppy and lupine, and in summer is mostly Shasta daisy. 

I also planted mints, oregano, catnip, bee friend (phaselia), borage, and California lilac.

My neighbors mostly have lawn and some evergreen trees.


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