Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

Discussion Forum

How to Store Nuts

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud on Thursday. 3 Replies

Himalayan rhododendrons blooming 3 months early

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jan 22. 4 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:15pm

Oh, I just noticed the cactus fence.  That would be good to grow in a dry climate like St. George Utah, and should keep-out most dogs and cats.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 4:13pm

The willow and bamboo fences look like good ideas.  I've always wanted to grow bamboo, as I could use it build things, as well as eat.  That is, if I like young bamboo shoots.  I've never tasted them.

Comment by Daniel W on March 15, 2015 at 4:11pm


To be honest, at the moment I feel so wasted and fatigued I can barely move. 

If there is an especially hard day at work, it can take several days for me to recover.  Last week I aspirated my oral chemo, which was torture, coughed up blood, wednesday developed sciatica - likely from coughing up the oral chemo - and then thursday developed shingles.  Friday was a 12-hour work day, with no breaks for rest or meal, and a fair amount of abusive people to deal with.  Most of my weeks are NOT that bad, but this week was kind of a bummer.

So, sat am I could sit around and mope - which does no good, or drink - not me, or make use of now-decriminalized plant-derived-substances  - which I'm sure I would hate, or watch TV, which I know I would hate.  Reading is always good, but I can't think of anything I want to read at the moment.  I've taken up sewing, but that takes more precision than I can accomplish right now.

So -

I shoveled wood chips around a number of fruit trees and some shrubs, now they have big mulched area that should stay weed free this year.  Then pruned a wild grapevine back to civilized form, and other grapevines on arbor back to their bound.  Then puttered around the yard until it was raining too hard to do anything else.  On the deck, under shelter, I grafted together a little apple tree, using my neighbors' tree which overhangs a privacy fence into my yard, could have great apples if cared for, and using for root stock a small tree that I grew by cutting off root suckers from another dwarf tree, and growing them for a year.  Then I planted a batch of "meadow foam" also called "Poached egg flower" (Limnanthes douglasii) for bee forage, in a spot that had been prepared for crimson clover which the rabbits ate.

Today I did homework, and at the moment have given up all else to rest and maybe now will read.

Actually, ordering the trees happened in Nov and Dec, helps me daydream.  The locations were prepared during the winter, the ground soft and easily dug.

Your garden design sounds perfect.  More thoughtful than mine which is hodge podge.  Pesky animals, we have neighbor cats who come over with gifts of feces.  I hope they are also eating mice and voles.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 4:05pm

Spud, I like your idea of thorn berry bushes. Best of both worlds. And you can grown them so that they are moe verticle and less horizontal. 

living fence 2 espalier

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 3:52pm

Come to think of it, Casa Blanka = house white

Therefore, Pneuma tranquillo.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 3:48pm

I like the looks of those beautiful living fences Joan.

Comment by Idaho Spud on March 15, 2015 at 3:45pm

If I put up a privacy screen here, it will limit the sunlight to my garden that already is limited by my house, so I guess I'd rather grow more to eat than have privacy.

The next move I make will be to a place with enough land to grow a large garden, and if it's close to other people, I will definitely put in privacy screens.

As far as dogs and cats, I think a good screen would be some blackberries with nasty thorns.  I could eat them also (harvested with tough gloves and long sleeves), so they would do double duty.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 3:44pm

if you look in another area, contact the County Extension Agent for a list appropriate for that area.

For ideas of a living fence.

Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 3:33pm

Spud, one way to gain privacy, as you already know, but I just want to remind you. Daniel used lilacs, I think, to put a screen between him and his neighbors. Do you have a native plant/shrub/tree that grows naturally in your soils that you could plant along a property line, close enough together to give you a good screen? 

When I designed my garden, I put trees and lilacs all around the perimeter. It not only screened out noise, but dust from the arterial just a half block from my home. What it did not do was screen out cats and dogs. For some reason, dogs like to poo on cabbage plants, so I built a fence on the property line. Now I have poo-free cabbages. It irked me that I had to go to the expense of keeping poo off my plants instead of dog owners keeping their dogs in their yards. That is life, I guess. 

Here are some fencing ideas with plants that may interest you. Willows will not be a good choice for you, I suspect, because it likes water. I have a soggy part of the garden and I could have used willow, there. Now I am not so sure because the water that used to flow above ground seasonally no longer exists. 

best plants for living fence

You might look around your area where you want to live and look for living fences that seem to be successful. 

In Spokane, arborvitae is good only if there is an abundant and consistent water supply. Many shrubs without enough water look terrible and they die back. I have arborvitae with a soaker hose that I have on a timer 

If you plan to stay in Pocatello, you could contact the Pocatello Tree Commission for ideas. 


Comment by Joan Denoo on March 15, 2015 at 2:01pm

Daniel, I am still amazed at the amount of energy you have. I just putter and feel like I have done a day's work. You work full time, then order and plant trees and all the other things you do. How do you accomplish all of this? 


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