Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on December 4, 2015 at 10:48pm

Daniel, A few nights ago the temperature got below freezing inside the greenhouse; the zucchini and tomatoes were nicked, yet I hoped our plans for starting the propane heater would work. A few days later, all plans were adjusted. We don't get any candlepower from the sun because the sun does not rise above the forest and the solar panels pick up very little energy from that source. We earlier upgraded the solar panels realizing the ones that came with the kit would not work for our area. A killing freeze that lasted for several days and nights took all the life out of the tender plants.

Lettuces, brassicas, kales did fine. The most recent seeding did not make it; the soil was too cold.

The dome's design is to heat the water tank with solar energy and warmed air flows under the soil and it, too, is powered by solar energy fan. We installed a propane heater. The other morning I found the water in the tank with a layer of ice that required a hammer to break. The ice was as thick as a pane of glass. All broken up, the ice floats on top and has not refrozen solid since. I turned on the pump to get the water flowing and it put the solar batteries working overtime and not getting replenished. 

Our propane heater could keep the water tank and air at a 52-degree temperature needed for sprouting seeds, but one propane tank lasts only about 100 hours. Too expensive to make this option feasible.

Our next strategy is to compost the dead plants and maintain the greenhouse for the winter thriving plants, i.e. kale, spinach, beet greens. The radish greens were delicious at first but now taste bitter. The good news is we should be able to have greens all winter long. Many varieties of lettuce thrive, much to my surprise. 

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Comment by Daniel W on December 3, 2015 at 9:32pm

Joan, how is the greenhouose going?  Do you have a heat source or heat storage  via thermal mass?  Or the soil does that?  What veggies are producing now?

Comment by Daniel W on December 3, 2015 at 12:17pm

Chris, me too.

I don't know that the next generation cares.  At least in the USA, the young vote in very low numbers.  They don't seem to care about the fact that regressive forces and corporate opportunists are taking away their future.

Oh, better get back to gardening thoughts.  I'm getting too negative.

Going through seed catalogs already for next year.  Damn internet, it's all available now!  I shouldn't be buying seeds so soon!

Comment by Plinius on December 3, 2015 at 12:25am

And we'll see more arable land become unusable. I wonder how the next generation will cope.

Comment by Daniel W on December 2, 2015 at 10:43pm
Ruth, I have no doubt of that. Soon we may need to develop a taste for cactus fruits and seaweed-derived bacon.
Comment by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on December 2, 2015 at 10:17pm
In the last 40 years, roughly one third of the world’s arable land has been lost to pollution or soil erosion,...

Global soil loss increases threat to food production

I'm thinking that the increased heavy downpours from climate change might increase the rate of soil loss.

Comment by Daniel W on November 29, 2015 at 11:05am
Chris, the berry are very delicious, but painful to harvest. The thorny brambles grow past the berries, so it's a challenge to pick them. Sometimes they draw blood. I love the flavor.

Randy, even more irony, if I can get rid of these, I may plant compact growing, maybe less thorny ones for eating.

That's a big effort for the persimmins. I bet they were delicious. Persimmons are my favorite fruit of the moment. Genus name Diospyros, fruit for the god.
Comment by Randall Smith on November 29, 2015 at 7:57am

Wow, Daniel. Here you are, ridding your property of blackberry thickets, and I'm trying to cultivate one in my pine trees! Around here, farmers spray fence rows (what few remain), and I have a difficult time finding patches. Admittedly, they are a thorny bramble, not exactly desirable for anything but the actual berries.

I spent nearly 4 hours "pulping" persimmons the other day. Got about 3 pints. It's very hard work which makes me wonder if it's worth the effort. However, my pecan/persimmon pie was delicious!

Comment by Plinius on November 29, 2015 at 12:39am

That's quite a struggle, Daniel, but you'll never be without blackberry conserve!

Comment by Daniel W on November 28, 2015 at 5:54pm

Here is a before and after of my blackberry bramble and thicket clearing garden project.  The thicket is on the edge of my property, and occupies roughly 1/4 acre.  One the other side is more woods, then a ravine, then on the other side there are houses again.  I think - fairly sure - the state wetland laws prevent development of the ravine area, so it should stay wild in perpetuity.  Blackberries are nonnative and considered a noxious weed.  The thickets are at least twice my height, more like 3 times my height in some places.

Most of the work is just cutting sections of blackberry bramble, pull them out, cut more, pull them out. Some are thicker than my thumb, and covered with thorns. They fight back. Blackberries are the kudzu of the Pacific Northwest, a state-designated noxious and invasive weed. Our county week commissioner stopped by last summer, but there's not much he can say, with much of the area covered in blackberries, including state lands. Here is an after photo of one section. This took a month, a little at a time. At this rate, I should get most of it cleared by Spring, maybe. One area that I cleared last year is completely covered again, having grown during the summer drought when I was not up to mowing. Plus, the ground was to rough for the mower.  Here is the after. I am only cutting the hawthorne trees that have fallen over or are near dead. I think this is a nice peaceful garden / woods. It's nice being outside working in it, and hearing the water trickle in the creek, the birds sing, and watching the occasional bluejay in the branches.  I only do what I can, there is no hurry.  The mounds are chopped-up blackberry brambles.  They will go into a compost pile to decompose for a year or so.I might check tomorrow to see if the ground is soft enough for some bulb planting.  If it is, I can plant some daffodils.   If not, then no big deal.  I would like for the fallen leaves to prevent return of blackberries, but they have already proven me wrong.  Maybe so me grass under the trees for occasional mowing.


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