Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Daniel W on June 15, 2014 at 8:42am
Randall, thats what makes it great! Gardening is in full season!

I think the midwest and Northeast must be prime hollyhock growing country. Each year I try something new, either plant or technique. Sometimes several things. Now that the four o'clocks look like tey are sbout to start blooming, and the scallop and other squashes are growing, time for something new. I have never seen hollyhocks here. I read, rabbits snd slugs like them. I will plan for those. It will be interesting to start them now, for next year.

I got everbearing strawberries a few years ago. Not as productive by far, but they continue through the sumner here. We are getting a lot now.

Joan I would love to try those Turkish hollyhocks! That would be really special for me. If you think of it when they seed, i will plant them in both pkaces. Thank you!

Blooming now - Ning's wildflower meadow, especially poppies of all kinds. Daylilies. Lilies. Roses. Meyer lemon - in container, overwinter indoors. very fragrant.
Comment by Randall Smith on June 15, 2014 at 7:50am

Too many topics all at once!! 

On hollyhocks, they come up "wild" in my garden. Can't remember ever planting them on purpose. Same with sunflowers. I "wee" hundreds of them every spring, but leave one or two just to keep them coming--I suppose for the finches.

Barbara, cacti are out of my territory, both in knowledge and climate.

Spud, my strawberry season is coming to an end. I froze several gallons, however (unwashed, with stems). There used to be a wild patch nearby, but it's gone. Talk about sweet berries--but very small and tedious to pick.

Happy Fathers Day to all the fathers out there.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 15, 2014 at 1:14am

Daniel, my grandmother had hollyhock growing out behind the chicken coop. They came back from seed every year. So when I brought home all those hollyhock seeds from Turkey, I just threw them on the ground. Didn't even cover them or stir the soil. They came up the first year and then I stared sorting the seeds by color. I put a colored ribbon on each stem revealing the color of the blossom. In the autumn, after the blossoms died, I cut the yellow ribbon ones and threw the whole stalk on the eastern part of my garden. The red ribbon ones I cut and threw the stalk with seed heads on the southern garden. Well, now, several years later, I have hollyhocks coming up everywhere; The birds didn't seem to like my color scheme and scattered all the colors all over the garden. I don't have any ripe seeds now, but I will mail you some in the fall. It will be fun having my experience in Turkey get shared in Vancouver or Battle Ground, WA 

Comment by Plinius on June 15, 2014 at 1:05am

I've tried to grow hollyhocks for five years, without succes. Bought small plants - they disappeared, tried seeds - they never grew. And this year, now that I have no time for my garden, there)s a hollyhock, almost as tall as I am! Will send pic when the flowers are open.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 14, 2014 at 4:58pm

Yes, they have a much better nose and ears than I do!

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 14, 2014 at 4:54pm

Spud, I'm not sure, but you may well be right. I thought it was also interesting that 12 million mothers leave the cave each night and return at sunrise - and each mother is able to find her own baby among the 12 million babies by smell and sound. I doubt I could find my offspring by sound and smell among 12 million others.  Mind boggling. Having fathers in the cave would just add to the chaos, LOL  www.batcon.org. I haven't read entire site, maybe answer is there.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 14, 2014 at 4:42pm

I've been meaning to say that most of my life I've known bats were our friends, and I've always found them fascinating.

I just read an article on bats that said the mothers find places that are warm to raise the hairless infants.  That made me think that the male bats probably live outside because there's not enough room for them inside.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 14, 2014 at 4:34pm

I didn't know that either, Spud. Bats are more complex than fables would have us believe. 

Barbara. I don't know the answer; however, here is one option that might work without harming your tree. I used this technique on a tree that had runners going everywhere and it worked.

I cut off the trunk low to the ground, but I think cut at any height would work. Drill a lot of holes in the cut part of the trunk, or pound in large nails to make holes. With an old plastic squirt ketchup bottle filled with vinegar, I carefully squirted the holes full of vinegar. Whenever I found a new shoot coming up, I used smaller nails to make  holes and put the vinegar in the shoots. I also have a garden injection needle that helps with the small shoots. I found mine years ago at a mom and pop hardware store. Sorry, I can't find one on the internet. 
Things You Will Need

  • old squirt bottle
  • vinegar
  • Bowl
  • Chlorine bleach
  • bowl of water

To clean the squirt bottle: "Combine a mixture that is 1/2 water and 1/2 chlorine bleach in a bowl. Wash the squirt bottle with water-bleach solution. Repeat the procedure. Rinse with water. The water-bleach mixture sterilizes the squirt bottle and prevents the spread of disease. Clean the bottle this way after each injection."

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 14, 2014 at 3:28pm

Barbara, that funny comment about the feminist bats made me smile.  It was news to me also that male bats don't live in the cave.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on June 14, 2014 at 2:16pm

Spud,  I agree about your strawberries. Those in store are tasteless so I don't bother to buy anymore. 

Daniel, I tried growing hollyhocks from seed. They came up but heat was simply too much for them I guess.

? I don't see any of King's radishes nor Daniel's palm tree. Wonder why?  

Randall, liberated feminist bats :) don't let males in cave I suppose.  

Hot and humid here in SA today. Mowing my tiny lawn was a struggle.

I have a question for you serious and experienced gardeners:

I had a ginormous cactus in my back yard - 6' w x 4' high and most likely over 25 yrs old. Scrawly, prickly, ugly and a pain to mow around, plus it was growing around a tree. I decided to liberate the tree, and after almost 3 months I removed the entire thing, using a borrowed reciprocating saw to cut the 24" diameter trunks. By the time I got to the last big trunk the blade was dull, so I decided to keep the trunk and use it to put a large tray for feeding the birds.  Dang thing has sprouted new pads. So, my neighbor is going to help me cut the trunk off to the ground.  Now comes my question:  How can I kill the root of the cactus without harming the tree?  The tree is recovering nicely and appears to have grown now that it gets more water. Can never have too much shade in Tx. 


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