Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Daniel W on June 8, 2014 at 3:45pm

Randall, excellent news!  Rain just when you need it.

king, I don't know if this helps.  I have read a number of references stating that peaches from seed usually come out similar to their parents.  Peaches are not as hybridized as some fruits, so are not as unpredictable.  My grandfather grew his peaches from seeds, although that was a different era.  So maybe, you could find some you like and grow from seed.  The disadvantage is it takes quite a number of years before they start bearing.   I have some peach seedlings, volunteers.   I don't know if they will produce, but I like growing stuff.

Ning with tree in my front yard, Windmill Palm also known as Chusan Palm also known as Chinese Windmill Palm.  Trachycarpus fortunei.  This tree has survived winters below 10 F.  Last year it got down to 8 F.  Its one of the most cold hardy palms.  14 years old.

Comment by Randall Smith on June 8, 2014 at 7:23am

An inch of rain overnight will do wonders to my garden--including weeds! Everything's up and looking good, except parsnips. I finally got some sweet potatoes planted.

Comment by king on June 6, 2014 at 11:17am
I was just thinking if you did could I get the stick you remove
Comment by Randall Smith on June 6, 2014 at 7:28am

Thanks Joan. You got me--whites taste a far cry better!

King, I hate to admit it, except for my apricot tree pruning I did this winter, I seldom prune my fruit trees. Two reasons: they look awful and it just causes them to sprout more "suckers". Oh yes, plus I'm lazy and don't like ladders!

Comment by king on June 5, 2014 at 12:51pm
Randall do your peach trees but chance need some purning this summer
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 5, 2014 at 8:49am

Randall, I need a definition of your sentence:

"They taste a far cry from the yellow ones." Does that mean far cry better or worse than yellow ones? 

I very much enjoy following your gardening experiences. You have helpful information; lots of humor to lighten the day, as well. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 5, 2014 at 8:46am

King, I am very glad to learn of your experiences and training when you were so young. Having that background gives you a real advantage. Knowing about soils, the pH factor, sun exposure, and different watering needs gives you a head start now.

I had the pruner over Tuesday and he commented on how healthy my soil is. I have spent 40 years growing excellent soil, the plants are able to do their work and I get the benefits of beauty and the crops.  I have a worm farm and use the liquids that drain off of it to pour nutrition by the quart onto plants. I put well composted steer manure on my beds every year. I have soaker hoses and use no overhead watering. Lady bugs take care of the aphids. The wild birds take care of caterpillars. All the beds have a heavy layer of mulch to hold in the moisture and reduce weeds. My walkways are of two inch chunks of wood bark which does create problems with fungus, relatively easily controlled by not putting soaker hoses near the walkways and stirring up the wood chunks with a rake.

Fungi in Mulches and Composts. Especially difficult is Shotgun or artillery fungus (Sphaerobolus),which killed my weeping cherry tree. I now use the dead stump as a place to put ears of corn for the birds and squirrels. 

Well, King, I hope you find a really delicious white free-stone peach that will flourish in your garden. 

Comment by Randall Smith on June 5, 2014 at 7:17am

King, I have several white peach trees in my yard. They taste a far cry from the yellow ones. Plus, they ripen in September. Sadly, there won't be any peaches this year because of the abnormally cold winter. :(  

Comment by king on June 5, 2014 at 3:04am
Thank you joan I knew most of that info from high school I did soil judging and worked in a greenhouse but around here most people think a peach is a peach really there are a lot of stupid people around here and close minded I like free stones the best and the ever so hard to find white peach witch is sweeter and all together a better fruit for eating if you ask me
Comment by Joan Denoo on June 5, 2014 at 2:50am

King, to find out your USDA hardiness zone, go to 


Which says your Indiana Plant Map hardiness zone is 5a. 

Indian Ecoregion is 55b - Loamy High Lime Till Plains.

Indiana Average First Frost Map, Oct 21-31. 

Current Drought Conditions, Abnormally high.

Learn about the horticulture of peaches from your 

Midwest Home Fruit Production Guide  page 18

Now that you know this information, you can start looking for peach trees that will fit these conditions. One thing you have to look for is first frost date. If your peach tree is in bloom when a frost hits it, the cold could kill the blossom and you will have no fruit. The late frost doesn't matter. 

I live in eastern Washington state, in zone 5 and I gave up on peach trees. The early frosts killed the blossoms for too many years and I just chopped it down. 

Your local county extension agent can advise you, or a good nursery. Or, if you know of someone who successfully grows peaches, they will have advice. I like freestone peaches best and that may make a difference. 

If you want to Google for information, use keywords. i.e. peach, freestone, USDA Hardiness Zone 5a. I may be wrong on any or all my information, but at least this is how I go about picking a species of a plant in my garden. 

I look forward to what you find. Please keep us updated. Good luck!


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