Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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Comment by Daniel W on October 30, 2017 at 11:28pm

Spud, I was looking through earlief comments, and I think you asked if I mind sometimes going off topic.  Sorry I didnt respond at the time.  I don't mind if discussions go off topic. 

One thing I always hope for is that talking about gardening, or other loved activities, can bring people together.  So I am hopinc there wont be divisiveness or judgements.  But it doesnt all have to be specifically in the garden.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 29, 2017 at 9:46pm

Daniel, your Persimmon is so pretty, I would grow it for the color. 

Your orchard must be a beautiful sight in the spring, summer, autumn, and winter!

Comment by kathy: ky on October 29, 2017 at 7:59pm
Daniel, that fruit looks beautiful.

Thomas, sounds like deer manure was the cause of the odor. If that's it you have some wonderful fertilizer there. I'm curious how it will turn out in the spring. If it's not helpful after the winter passes it shouldn't be harmful.

The compost heap that I had sour smelled bad and didn't have any earthworms or other bugs working in it.
Comment by Daniel W on October 29, 2017 at 9:32am

American persimmon is done producing fruit this year, next up is the hybrid Asian+American Persimmon, developed in Ukraine, Nikita's Gift.  Almost ripe.  Brilliant fall color.  Unripe, they are astringent with a mouthfeel lije eating talc.  When they ripen to the consistency of an overripe tomato, the tannins vanish and they are like apricots drenched in honey and sweet spices.  Brilliant fall color, as a bonus. 

Comment by Daniel W on October 28, 2017 at 6:21pm

Thomas, that sounds reasonable to me.  Deer poop would be fine as fertilizer.  Probably better than cow, no chemicals of antibiotics in diet.  Dogs love eating animal poops.  Mine often has his nose in mole hills snooping for poop. 

Kathy, I had things like that happen too, when I started out?  I thought the root ball should not be disturbed.  I was wrong.

Comment by Thomas Murray on October 28, 2017 at 5:38pm

Kathy& Daniel,

  I wonder if the sour smell had something to do with deer poop. We have deer in our yard just about every day early mornings and evenings around 4 am and 5-6 p.m. The deer traverse to and from the lake along our stream and often stop in our yard to nibble on the sweet grass and drop poop. So when I rake up grass clippings I also rake in the deer poops. Our two small dogs go crazy in the deer poops as if it were perfume. The dogs stinks horribly! It takes a couple of shampoos and rinses to remove the stench.


Thats a pretty big hole you dug... big enough for a duck pond. You could get a kio pond going quite easily....

Comment by kathy: ky on October 28, 2017 at 5:18pm
The first tree I planted was a blue spruce. There's not much need to plant trees in ky.
Anyway, I didn't know anything about planting​ trees so I planted the spruce straight out of the container into the ground. It was completely gurgled with roots. Three years later it hadn't grown an inch so I dug it up to transplant to another spot. The roots looked exactly like they had when I had planted it the first time. It was on clearance for two bucks and had sat in the same gallon pot that it had came in all summer. When I saw the root system hadn't spread any I just threw it away. There are plenty of trees here and I didn't need it but for $2. I couldn't pass it up.
I've learned a LOT since then :)
Comment by Daniel W on October 28, 2017 at 10:22am

Thomas, I agree with Kathy that having wonderful earthy smelling earth is favorable.  Even so, I don't think you hurt anything, and you returned the minerals and decomposed vegetative matter to the soil, so I think it will still make your garden grow better.  Grass clippings rot fast, unless it's midsummer in a dry climate.  Some people do swear by "compost tea" which maybe is what you made? 

I make compost piles with whatever is available - plant clippings, grass clippings, leaves, vegetable matter from the kitchen. 

Yesterday, I dug up a fig tree that I planted in 2001.   It was a slower growing variety, and very bushy,  but still about 8 feet tall, spread about 8 feet, and trunk as thick as my arm.  Fig trees are very resilient, but this is pushing it - might not survive.  Could not keep it in this spot, and I do want to keep it.  Didn't mean to do it in one afternoon.  Lost track of time.  After, I felt sick, wanted to roll over and die LOL.  This am, after some coffee, feeling better.  Now get it into the pickup, haul to its new home, and re-plant.  Fall is a good time for that.  Can't believe I dug it up.  The hole was about 5 feet in diameter and 3 feet deep, and I cut some big roots.  If it doesn't survive, I do have a start from a branch that had touched the soil and grew roots.

Comment by kathy: ky on October 27, 2017 at 9:22pm
Thomas, if it smelled bad it may have been a sour mess that had all the good things ruined. I've only had one compost bin go sour on me because my spouse had thrown cooked green beans in it. The good stuff should have the wonderful earthy smell like good earth. I'll be interested in learning how it turns out.
Comment by Thomas Murray on October 27, 2017 at 1:59pm

 Last month I was doing final work of raking up some grass and put a large pile of it in the wheel barrow. I forgot about after a beer break. The wheel barrow sat outside in the rain and sun for about two weeks. When it came to getting the wheel barrow again there was awful smell and looking inside the bin the grass turned into swamp. The grass decomposed completely in the water and it was black gold. I dumped it in the flower garden and tilled it into the soil. I have not seen the results yet and have to wait until Spring.

  So it seems like a good idea to do this again and wondered if anyone had similar experience with this, mixing grass with water and let it sit for a couple of weeks.


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