Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on September 2, 2014 at 5:34am

Chris, how warm do you keep your ginger?  I read that they are a tropical plant, and so like warmth, as well as moist air.

Comment by Plinius on September 2, 2014 at 5:16am

My windowsill gingerroot grew fantastic last year, and even almost flowered. I gave it a winter rest, repotted in spring, and waited...............................................................  till August, when suddenly leaves appeared and now it is almost a metre tall. I cannot guess what it will do next.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 2, 2014 at 4:53am

Thanks Chris.  I won't throw it out as early as I planned.

Comment by Plinius on September 2, 2014 at 1:01am

Sometimes you have to wait a long time before that gingerroot grows. I still don't understand what clock it uses.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 1, 2014 at 3:51pm

Today, I finished the area I'm going to plant watermelon in next year.  I had previously made berms of soil, sand, compost, and uncomposted organic mater.  

I made them on the south side of the house where the melons will not get any early morning sun, but then will get a double dose in late morning until evening, because of the reflection from the white wall of the house.

Today, I put manure and compost on top of the berms and soaker hoses on top of that.  

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 1, 2014 at 3:38pm

Daniel, training mice can be a challenge.  

Oh, that plumicot looks good, and those spuds are very nice.  

I’ve not tried growing potatoes in this small yard.  If my ginger root doesn’t sprout, I may try potato tubers in that large container.

It's been 2 weeks since I planted the ginger root that I purchased a the grocery store.  I soaked it for a day to try and get rid of the chemical they use to stop it from sprouting.  

That's what was recommended on several sites.  If it doesn't sprout, I may buy one from a place that sells them for growing.

Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2014 at 12:54pm

Don those cabbages and melons look great! 

Do you make sauerkraut?

How do you keep cabbage worms off of them?  Mine always look like swiss cheese.

Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2014 at 12:52pm

Joan, your experience is so valuable to me!  I think your 50X100 is paradise.

I was surprised about the dahlias too.  Ning does have a mulch, consisting of cardboard covering the soil, and wood chips covering the cardboard so it looks nice.  That might have insulated the soil from the freeze.

Who knows, maybe those 20 year old tubers can be resurrected?  I doubt it.  If they grow you can call them "Jesus Dahlias".

I may have the same experience as you with the four o'clocks, and regret them.  There are spots where their persistence would be welcomed, if that happens.  Other spots might not be so welcome. 

The photos -  a yellow 4:00, a pink 4:00, morning glories, dahlia. 

Not sure what next years "new" - usually old - plants will be.  Maybe carnations.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2014 at 12:48pm

Daniel, do you need a pollinators for Toka? If so, what do you have? Your potato crop looks so delicious, no diseases and no pests damage. I like how you grew them. 

Randy, my climate is too short for successful melon growing, however, Spokane Valley is perfect, it runs along the Spokane river channel and has glaciated rocks and sand. The trees seem to love it. My neighbor supplies me with zucchini and cucumbers, which are two of my favorite vegetables. 

So many of my original plants from trees to groundcovers, have died out, probably because they don't like the conditions in my garden. So, I have the opportunity to try other species and varieties. As it stands now, the phlox, anemones, sedums, burning bush (Euonymus alatus), climbing hydrangeas (Hydrangea anomala ssp. petiolaris), yews, hollyhock from Turkey, peonies, do very well. This is not a statement of my ability, it is of the hardiness of these plants. The goldenrod, euphorbia and four-o-clocks reseed very freely and I have to keep a watch out that they don't crowd out other things. The goldenrod is especially difficult to dig out, with its deep roots. 

My poor arborvitae came very close to dying out because I failed to check the soaker system that waters them. They are recovering nicely. Driving to the store, I see too many arborvitae that are dying or dead. 

I am preparing to cut down the mugho pine; I wanted it for the height I could get from that variety, however the fungus just loves it and there is nothing I have tried these 18 years it has been in to stop it. So, out it goes. The space left behind is too small for a plum and I don't have another place to put one. So, I will just have to go to the farmers' market for them. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2014 at 12:18pm

Daniel, both of my grandmothers loved Heavenly blue Morning glory. 

I am truly surprised the dahlias survived a hard freeze. I had a lovely variety the first year I tried them, however, the dig-up work was more than I wanted so, the tubers are in a bin in the basement and have probably been there for 20 years +-. Guess I better empty the bin and use it for some other purpose. 

The entry way is so pretty; I bet Ming is pleased with the outcome. 

Four-o-clocks are my mosquito of the plant family! It seems to find its way into all my borders, carried there by birds, I am sure. Because my garden is such a jungle, it is difficult to get the tubers out. With your amount of land, it may be a blessing. For my 50'x100' garden space, already overloaded with plants, I do have a challenge. They are so pretty, I should just sit back and enjoy their fecundity. 

I don't recognize the first flower. With the long throat, is it the plant you have potted and take in each winter?


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