Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 6, 2015 at 11:50pm

Daniel, Thanks for the list of apples you are "partial to". Your list adds to my "Seek, Taste, and Find ones I like" file. 

Comment by Daniel W on November 6, 2015 at 10:12pm
Joan, I have not tried goats. Sounds inteteresting. I dont mind doing it - Im outside, puttering, breathing the fresh air. There is no hurry. The tree limbs get cut for firewood. I run over the cut brambles with the lawnmower and collect them for compost. the brambles are listed by the state as noxious weeds, but they are so prevalent they dont even remove them from the roadside. Grass roots will hold the soil better - its bare under the berries and hawthorns, nothing else grows in the thickets.

If those apples look and taste like Granny Smith, then they must be what they are. It's a rather unique apple. Im more partial to Jonagold, Braeburn, Honeycrisp for mainstrsm apples, and some disease resistant hybrids for gardening.
Comment by Joan Denoo on November 6, 2015 at 7:52pm

Daniel, I don't know what kind of apple tree Laura and Larry planted and they do not have the tag. The only apples that appeared looked and tasted like Granny Smith apples. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 6, 2015 at 4:01pm

It is about 1:30 PM and I just came in from the greenhouse where my oldest great-grandson, 16 year old Jacob, and my youngest great-grandson, 7 year old Noah looked for new vegetables. We found three green beans about the size of a long eyelash, and a couple more zucchini growing into vegetables. We sampled leaves of cabbage, celery, radishes, lettuces, onions, beets. The boys liked the different flavors and seem enthusiastic about fresh salads. We eat leaves as fast as they grow, leaving little energy for the root crops upon which to grow. 

Randy, will sweet potatoes grow in straw so that you can dig thm by hand? Also do you grow them in mounds? Sweet potatoes haven't done well for me in the past and I suspect it is the cold nights. I used to grow them successfully in Texas; that was more than 40 years ago and I can't remember if I grew them in straw or if I mounded them. I grow white potatoes, I don't have to dig them. 

Spud, do you successfully grow sweet potatoes? I am glad to learn you are making a van computer friendly. I like your plan for mulching some potatoes in the ground. Keep us posted on how it works for you. 

Daniel, have you tried goats in clearing the brambles? Is your county noxious weed czar willing to work with you on making the ravine and creek wetlands into a more friendly and usable zone? My cousin had problems with his wetlands along the Priest River and had to abandon a plan to make it more migratory bird friendly. He lives right on the migratory route and have flocks of geese and other fowl every spring and autumn. Even the Sandpoint bird club liked his plans. He planned to stabilize the quiet water ponds that occur along the river. 

county noxious weed czar 

Comment by Daniel W on November 6, 2015 at 2:56pm
Joan, your greenhouse in an inspiration. Your reports really get me thinking...

Spud, you did a lot better than I did with melons. I started seeds but never got the plants into the ground.

Randy, Im glad you got some sweet potatoes. I tried a couple years ago. Maybe I should try next year.

Im not doing much in my garden at the moment. We have about 1/4 acre of blackberry bramble mixed with European hawthorne, abutting a ravine and creek wetland on one side of our property. I started clearing some of it, mostly with a pruning shears and limb bow saw. I can do about 100 square feet at a time. Once cleared, I want to plant some more desirable trees, and grass mixed with clover so it is mowable and hold the soil in place. The local county noxious weed czar gAve me some grief about the area, but mostly I want to be a responsible steward of the land.

I am almost done covering next year's corn/squash/other stuff garden with a thick layer of mowings. My hope is it will decompose by spring in our wet weather, killing sod and weeds and leaving soft soil in its place. I spead cardboard from boxes and spread the mowings on top.

Randy you will be happy to know I planted another American persimmon tree. This one is supposedly parthenocarpic, not needing male pollen to make fruit. It comes from a collection in Indiana. I really want to eat some of my own persimmons and pawpaws in my lifetime.
Comment by Idaho Spud on November 6, 2015 at 1:50pm

Thanks Randy.  I don't get to enjoy reading you guys comments on a daily basis because I'm getting to the library only once or twice a week now for 2 or 3 hours each time. 

I haven't dug my sweet spuds yet.  I imagine I'll slice into some also, and have to eat them right away.  They're growing on a berm, so I should be able to dig on both sides of them first, and reduce the damaged ones.  I'm also thinking of leaving some in the ground and putting a large amount of mulch on top.  Then dig them up when I need them.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 6, 2015 at 1:42pm

Sounds like your greenhouse is producing wonderful results Joan. 

I'm going to start plants in my cold frame very early next spring, so I can plant them as soon as the ground is warm enough. 

I think I will let one watermelon plant grow in there all spring, summer, and fall if need be.  Then when we get cold weather in the middle of summer, I can close the lid and keep it toasty. 

I was planning on putting some cold-weather-crops in there this fall, but so far, I've been too busy making my van computer friendly, so I can access the internet at the library.

Comment by Randall Smith on November 4, 2015 at 7:04am

Always good to hear from you, Spud. I miss your daily comments.

We're enjoying sunny days in the mid 70's. Had our first freeze a couple of weeks ago, but nothing close since. My sweet potatoes are dug up finally, not hurt from the freeze. I cut into many of them, however, with my shovel. I've tried other digging tools and techniques, none of which works. It kills me to slice one in half.

Comment by Joan Denoo on November 4, 2015 at 3:59am

Spud, I hope your melons escaped frost. Surely the foundation helped provide heat, as you describe. 

The zucchini in the greenhouse is huge, full of blossoms and loads of developing squash. The bush beans have many blossoms and the pole beans climb the bamboo tepee I framed over them. They have blossoms too. The daikon radishes are not forming yet, but the leaves are huge and have a lovely flavor. We had a daikon radish leaf salad for lunch. The lemon tree still has more blossoms and th fruits seem to be developing nicely. I have a fear that I will walk in the greenhouse one morning and all the fruit will have fallen to the ground.

The fungus gnats seem to be under control in the greenhouse. I used an organic treatment. I can't remember where I got it.


Comment by Idaho Spud on November 3, 2015 at 2:59pm

Good going Chris. 

I need to harvest my sweet potatoes and squash today, as freezing weather is forecast for tonight and the rest of the week.  The first frost was about a week ago.  It got down to about 31° F.  I think that's the latest first frost for quite a few years.

It's probably a good idea to harvest my muskmelon and watermelon also.  I was surprised last week when the frost didn't do anything to them.  Probably because they're on the south side of the house, and the sun probably heats the cement wall of my house on that side, and keeps them warm all night.


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