Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on September 7, 2014 at 10:27am

Joan, This Spring I began my efforts with the 12' space between my house and neighbors. Reflection off the siding of both houses creates an oven on my patio - temp registers 140 on my thermometer.  In March I removed the grass - actually I paid a guy to do it, became so frustrated with his work ethic that I sent him home early and finished it myself on my hands and knees.

I planted heat/drought tolerant plants (salvia greggi, yarrow, zinnias, salvia leucantha) with the intention of making my patio and the walkway area look 'cooler'. I bought 5 trellises for the patio and planted vines in smart pots at their bases.  For the walkway I used some pavers that previous owner left behind, and I bought a few additional bricks. I then planted a few thyme and alot of dichondra.  The heat made short work of the dicondra and the weeds came raging back in the walkway. The first really cool morning I'm going to attack the weeds again, and this time I'm going to plant creeping thyme throughout the walkway area.  I use mulch from the city recycling center for the beds and have not had a problem other than an occasional weed pop up. 

Because of the high heat and humidity that zinnias became covered by powdery mildew by mid July and I wound up pulling them out, the yarrow seems to be gasping most of the time and never flowered or grew much.  I'm going to be adding more Salvia Greggi and mabe a few smaller salvia, and maybe some cactus, and just not attempt flowers in the walkway anymore. I should mention, as you look at 1st picture the left side is in deep shade until about 1:00 and then gets blasted until sunset. Next to my house gets sun all day long. By mid afternoon even the dogs don't want to go out!  

Comment by Randall Smith on September 7, 2014 at 7:30am

Barbara, my newly adopted pound dog is a sweetheart, but she wants to run down to the neighbors, a quarter mile away. Last night, I let her out to pee, and away she went. At 10:30, I drove down to retrieve her, holding back my anger, nary a scold.

Joan, good info on getting rid of sod, etc. My terrace isn't as nice looking as Zac's. Good job.

Comment by Plinius on September 7, 2014 at 1:04am

I can't stop looking at the big trees, Joan! But the terrace is well done!

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 11:59pm

Sorry to keep adding more, but ran across this site. 

How to Grow Your Own Food: Potato Tower Update

Use straw, not hay because straw doesn't have seeds in it. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 11:49pm

Another option is to cover the grass with a black plastic, with no light getting to the blades of grass. Leave it until the grass is dead and then till it. The problem with this method, is the seeds that remain in the sod will sprout and you will have a few years of pulling out every little shoot that peaks its blade above ground.

I use a root feeder without putting the fertilizer in the container. I push the rod into the ground beside the sprig of grass, turn on the water and let it soak for a minute or more. When the grass shoot is loosened from the soil, I just lift it out, with the entire root. 

I have wooly thyme growing around my dining area and it gets grass seeds in it all the time, blown in by the wind or birds. Each seed produces grass and a root that grows quicker than can be imagined. I use the tool two or three time a year to keep the thyme grass free. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 11:28pm

Barbara, what a wonderful little dog, and full of personality. Looks like a great companion. Those floppy ears would make one laugh, just watching her. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 11:20pm

Barbara and Spud, just tip the tower over and start digging out the potatoes. 

Container Grown Potatoes Big Harvest : Blight resistant Sarpo Mira

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 10:58pm

Barbara, may I caution you not to till the grass with your new tiller. You will have grass in the soil that will hound you for the next seven years. (That is a Farmer's Almanac claim, and who is to question the old farmer?). 

If you have some strong, young, ambitious people who are willing to take up the sod and remove it, you will have fine soil with which to work, with only an occasional grass root or seed that sprouts. 

One option is to use the sod somewhere it is wanted, or turn the sod upside down into a pile, cover it with black plastic and let it decompose into the nicest soil you could ever want. You just have to kill those grass roots and seeds. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 6, 2014 at 10:52pm

Just want to share with you the pictures of Laura's new terraces designed and created by Zac, my newest great-granddaughter's daddy. He cut the timbers, limbed and barked them and installed them.  

April 2014, Zac carved a slope into terraces.

Sept 2014, Zac finished buiding the terraces

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 6, 2014 at 11:38am


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