Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2014 at 12:18pm

Daniel, both of my grandmothers loved Heavenly blue Morning glory. 

I am truly surprised the dahlias survived a hard freeze. I had a lovely variety the first year I tried them, however, the dig-up work was more than I wanted so, the tubers are in a bin in the basement and have probably been there for 20 years +-. Guess I better empty the bin and use it for some other purpose. 

The entry way is so pretty; I bet Ming is pleased with the outcome. 

Four-o-clocks are my mosquito of the plant family! It seems to find its way into all my borders, carried there by birds, I am sure. Because my garden is such a jungle, it is difficult to get the tubers out. With your amount of land, it may be a blessing. For my 50'x100' garden space, already overloaded with plants, I do have a challenge. They are so pretty, I should just sit back and enjoy their fecundity. 

I don't recognize the first flower. With the long throat, is it the plant you have potted and take in each winter?

Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2014 at 9:11am

Randy, thanks!  I've been gardening here for 14 years, so a few things have accumulated.  Like evolution, plants that don't grow have gone extinct in my yard, and ones that do well, continue. 

One of the big challenges for the future, is designing and putting into place systems that require less labor, less input, and are inexpensive.  This winter's projects will keep those thoughts in mind.

Here are some potatoes I dug up yesterday.

I grew them in "wishing wells" constructed from tree-ring bricks that were no longer in use for trees, so free.   The lowest foot is soil/compost mix, then layers of leaf mulch and grass clippings as they grew.  Soil might have worked better than the mulch.  I thought they might be more productive, but really happy with what grew.   These were Pontiac Red and White Superior. 

Spud, can you grow potatoes?

Comment by Randall Smith on September 1, 2014 at 7:25am

Daniel, I'm so envious of EVERYTHING! Garden, flowers, and that toka (capital T?). I don't know how you do it. Quite impressive.

And Spud's watermelons. Mine are pathetic--no bigger than a baseball. Same with cantelopes. And it's not the weather--my SIL grows really nice ones.

While weeding and gathering winter squash, my back "went out". It'll take a good week before it's back to normal--that is, if I avoid gardening. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Comment by Daniel W on August 31, 2014 at 5:39pm

Spud, I've been hoping I can train mice to do some of my work.  So far that is not successful.


Moles have been helpful, creating nice piles of finely ground, soft soil that I continue to collect for raised beds or low spots in the yard.  Squirrels plant nuts around the yard, resulting in new nut trees.  But mice....  no such luck. 


Among the last of my stone fruits - maybe a few small peaches if they ripen.  This is "Toka", developed in 1911 in S. Dakota, hybrid of native American plum with Chinese apricot.  The name is supposedly Sioux for adversity.  Delightful sweet flavor.  I bought the tree on a whim, 2 years ago.   The orange color of the flesh shows the apricot lineage.  We can't grow apricots here, so this was a nice surprise.



Comment by Idaho Spud on August 31, 2014 at 3:17pm

I wondered about your gardening mice Daniel. : )

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 31, 2014 at 3:15pm

Daniel, when you mentioned dahlia tubers, I looked them up on Wikipedia, and it says people eat them.

Comment by Daniel W on August 31, 2014 at 3:14pm
nice year,not mice year!
Comment by Daniel W on August 31, 2014 at 3:11pm
Patricia, thank you! Its been a mice year for exploring gardening.

Spud, I dont know if dahlia tubers are edible! I think they callthem potato flower because they look like potatoes.

Given how well you did with melons, I bet you can create way togarden in your alkaline soul. I read sulfur is a good way to acidify soil.
raised beds witn your own formulated soil might work.
Comment by Idaho Spud on August 31, 2014 at 1:00pm

Daniel, Nice looking flowers.  Morning glories are a favorite of mine.  Have you ever eaten the dahlia tubers?

I read some new articles written by my extension agent that have discouraged me.  I know my soil and water is highly alkaline, but he claims there is little we can do about it except plant things that like alkaline soil, or at least don't want much acidity.

He says it's almost impossible to grow blueberries here, and even though the nurseries sell them, they all die, as well as some other acid-loving plants, like Azaleas and Rhododendrons.

He said it might be possible to grow dwarf blueberries in large containers full of potting soil, but we couldn't use the highly alkaline well water.  We would have to use rain water or something like that. 

I've noticed Home Depot sells lime, and wondered why the frak they do that.  The extension agent said do NOT use lime, wood ashes, or egg shells in eastern Idaho.  

The wood ashes are mainly used for potassium, but our soil already has a very high potassium level, plus the fact that most wood ashes are alkaline..

Egg shells are mainly used for calcium, but our soil already has too much calcium.

I'm discouraged because most of what I want to grow likes acid soil.  Bummer.

Comment by Daniel W on August 31, 2014 at 12:08pm

The Four O'clocks were my 2014 flower experiment. They are mostly a heritage / historic / heirloom plant, and don't fit into nursery priorities of selling plants in bloom that can be arranged like knick-knacks. They also probably can't be sold in bloom. They were a lot of fun to grow. I saved seeds for next year. In my area, they might also be perennials, we'll see.

Ning bought a gate and wanted a vine. That was in June. I found some morning glory seeds at the store and planted them. I told him there might not be enough time for them to grow and bloom, and might be eaten by deer and rabbits. But they did grow and bloom.

I also told Ning he should dig up his dahlias in case there was a hard freeze. He didn't. There was a hard freeze, a historic freeze. They grew anyway, and are very dramatic. In China they are called "potato flower' because the roots are sort of like potatoes.

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