Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Compact Bed Geometry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Wednesday. 0 Replies

Soil: regenerative land management

Started by Joan Denoo on Tuesday. 0 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 21. 3 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Jul 18. 1 Reply

To cure your garlic

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Jul 16. 1 Reply

Harvesting vegetables

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jul 9. 4 Replies

The Hen in Winter

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 4. 10 Replies

Fruit Pests: Apricot

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 28. 3 Replies

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on December 11, 2013 at 2:05am

Happy first anniversary Daniel and Ning. I hope you have a very special day of celebration and that the coming year brings you excellent health, active minds, and splendid joy! 

Fondly, Joan

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 9, 2013 at 10:50am

Sentient, your method of defeating moles sounds like a good idea, and I plan on doing if I have trouble with the critters when I move to the country.

Temperature this morning was -10 F (-23 C).  Yowzer!  I spent 10 minutes outside with heavy mittens on when it was -6 and my fingers were hurting.

Comment by Daniel W on December 9, 2013 at 8:28am
Randall, the main effort is in getting the materials. Once thats done, I can say 'Today I will cut the boards' and leave it at that. Then 'Today I will drill the holes....today I will screw them together.... etc. There is no hurry and no pressure to conplete a bed. Then one by one they are built.

I will be glad to put the last one in place.

For me its deer and rabbits and voles. The moles st least do some work for me!

And this freeze. Damn, I hope it doesnt kill too much of my trees and shrubs.
Comment by Randall Smith on December 9, 2013 at 7:47am

Daniel, you go to a lot of trouble (i.e., work!) to have a raised garden. Like adding a wire base. Mercy. I'm shamed to admit all I do is dig a trench, toss in seeds, and cover.

As far as what the extension service says about "not bothering to kill moles", I say "ARE YOU KIDDING ME?" They play havoc in my yard, killing grass by tunneling, making those mounds, and getting in the garden. They virtually destroyed a sweet corn patch one year. Do you remember Elmer Fudd's "Kill the Rabbit" song? Well, that's my mole mantra. 

Comment by Daniel W on December 8, 2013 at 11:24am

Farmer's Almanac prediction for local conditions, now:

Dec 5-11: Rainy periods, turning cool;


Comment by Daniel W on December 8, 2013 at 11:08am


Thanks for the poem.  Now I know!  Very nice.  Quiet and thoughtful.  That's kind of how this cold spell has come here too.

Randall, the mole hill thing is different but it works.  They make big soft hills all over these 2 acres.  Lots of them.  If we mow them, they blow huge billowing dust clouds.  Stomp them down, it just makes hard little hills.  I guess the other option is use a garden rake to spread them over the lawn.  The grass will grow up through them.

But they do make nice softly ground soil.  I take a wheelbarrow around and a flat shovel and collect them.   They don't have hard clots, and it mixes easily with compost.

I don't know if the hills serve a purpose for the moles - maybe a cover for their entrance, or a summit for them to perch upon in the night.  Maybe this removal annoys them.

I don't know what I will do when the raised beds are filled.  Probably rake them over the surrounding soil.  The state extension site says don't bother trying to kill them.   Plus they have an ecological role, eating underground bugs worms and maggots. 

For raised beds, I do a layer of soil then a layer of compost, then a layer of soil etc.  I mix together, then smooth it over.   They are 8 feet by 4 feet, by 1 foot deep.  I don't want moles in the raised bed, so they have a bottom made from chicken wire or hardware cloth.

Comment by Randall Smith on December 8, 2013 at 8:40am

Spud: I went through Sandburg's birth and home place in Galesburg IL several years ago. Tiny and unassuming. Nice museum next door.

Daniel: Pretty funny about what you do with your mole hill soil! I will take a page and try it. Not now, however--the ground is frozen. How's your health?

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 7, 2013 at 9:17pm

Fog, a poem by Carl Sandburg.

The fog comes
on little cat feet.

It sits looking
over harbor and city
on silent haunches
and then moves on.

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 7, 2013 at 8:50pm

Sentient, It looks like the company you were looking at gives the same kind of analysis that mine did.  Good luck.

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 7, 2013 at 8:48pm

-25 C is -13 F, which is quite cold.  That's about as cold as I've ever seen it where I live now.  I used to live 30 miles south of here and saw it get -30 F (-34 C).  About froze my hands off trying to start my car even with mittens on.


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