Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2014 at 12:52pm

Joan, your experience is so valuable to me!  I think your 50X100 is paradise.

I was surprised about the dahlias too.  Ning does have a mulch, consisting of cardboard covering the soil, and wood chips covering the cardboard so it looks nice.  That might have insulated the soil from the freeze.

Who knows, maybe those 20 year old tubers can be resurrected?  I doubt it.  If they grow you can call them "Jesus Dahlias".

I may have the same experience as you with the four o'clocks, and regret them.  There are spots where their persistence would be welcomed, if that happens.  Other spots might not be so welcome. 

The photos -  a yellow 4:00, a pink 4:00, morning glories, dahlia. 

Not sure what next years "new" - usually old - plants will be.  Maybe carnations.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2014 at 12:48pm

Daniel, do you need a pollinators for Toka? If so, what do you have? Your potato crop looks so delicious, no diseases and no pests damage. I like how you grew them. 

Randy, my climate is too short for successful melon growing, however, Spokane Valley is perfect, it runs along the Spokane river channel and has glaciated rocks and sand. The trees seem to love it. My neighbor supplies me with zucchini and cucumbers, which are two of my favorite vegetables. 

So many of my original plants from trees to groundcovers, have died out, probably because they don't like the conditions in my garden. So, I have the opportunity to try other species and varieties. As it stands now, the phlox, anemones, sedums, burning bush (Euonymus alatus), climbing hydrangeas (Hydrangea anomala ssp. petiolaris), yews, hollyhock from Turkey, peonies, do very well. This is not a statement of my ability, it is of the hardiness of these plants. The goldenrod, euphorbia and four-o-clocks reseed very freely and I have to keep a watch out that they don't crowd out other things. The goldenrod is especially difficult to dig out, with its deep roots. 

My poor arborvitae came very close to dying out because I failed to check the soaker system that waters them. They are recovering nicely. Driving to the store, I see too many arborvitae that are dying or dead. 

I am preparing to cut down the mugho pine; I wanted it for the height I could get from that variety, however the fungus just loves it and there is nothing I have tried these 18 years it has been in to stop it. So, out it goes. The space left behind is too small for a plum and I don't have another place to put one. So, I will just have to go to the farmers' market for them. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 1, 2014 at 12:18pm

Daniel, both of my grandmothers loved Heavenly blue Morning glory. 

I am truly surprised the dahlias survived a hard freeze. I had a lovely variety the first year I tried them, however, the dig-up work was more than I wanted so, the tubers are in a bin in the basement and have probably been there for 20 years +-. Guess I better empty the bin and use it for some other purpose. 

The entry way is so pretty; I bet Ming is pleased with the outcome. 

Four-o-clocks are my mosquito of the plant family! It seems to find its way into all my borders, carried there by birds, I am sure. Because my garden is such a jungle, it is difficult to get the tubers out. With your amount of land, it may be a blessing. For my 50'x100' garden space, already overloaded with plants, I do have a challenge. They are so pretty, I should just sit back and enjoy their fecundity. 

I don't recognize the first flower. With the long throat, is it the plant you have potted and take in each winter?

Comment by Daniel W on September 1, 2014 at 9:11am

Randy, thanks!  I've been gardening here for 14 years, so a few things have accumulated.  Like evolution, plants that don't grow have gone extinct in my yard, and ones that do well, continue. 

One of the big challenges for the future, is designing and putting into place systems that require less labor, less input, and are inexpensive.  This winter's projects will keep those thoughts in mind.

Here are some potatoes I dug up yesterday.

I grew them in "wishing wells" constructed from tree-ring bricks that were no longer in use for trees, so free.   The lowest foot is soil/compost mix, then layers of leaf mulch and grass clippings as they grew.  Soil might have worked better than the mulch.  I thought they might be more productive, but really happy with what grew.   These were Pontiac Red and White Superior. 

Spud, can you grow potatoes?

Comment by Randall Smith on September 1, 2014 at 7:25am

Daniel, I'm so envious of EVERYTHING! Garden, flowers, and that toka (capital T?). I don't know how you do it. Quite impressive.

And Spud's watermelons. Mine are pathetic--no bigger than a baseball. Same with cantelopes. And it's not the weather--my SIL grows really nice ones.

While weeding and gathering winter squash, my back "went out". It'll take a good week before it's back to normal--that is, if I avoid gardening. NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Comment by Daniel W on August 31, 2014 at 5:39pm

Spud, I've been hoping I can train mice to do some of my work.  So far that is not successful.


Moles have been helpful, creating nice piles of finely ground, soft soil that I continue to collect for raised beds or low spots in the yard.  Squirrels plant nuts around the yard, resulting in new nut trees.  But mice....  no such luck. 


Among the last of my stone fruits - maybe a few small peaches if they ripen.  This is "Toka", developed in 1911 in S. Dakota, hybrid of native American plum with Chinese apricot.  The name is supposedly Sioux for adversity.  Delightful sweet flavor.  I bought the tree on a whim, 2 years ago.   The orange color of the flesh shows the apricot lineage.  We can't grow apricots here, so this was a nice surprise.



Comment by Idaho Spud on August 31, 2014 at 3:17pm

I wondered about your gardening mice Daniel. : )

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 31, 2014 at 3:15pm

Daniel, when you mentioned dahlia tubers, I looked them up on Wikipedia, and it says people eat them.

Comment by Daniel W on August 31, 2014 at 3:14pm
nice year,not mice year!
Comment by Daniel W on August 31, 2014 at 3:11pm
Patricia, thank you! Its been a mice year for exploring gardening.

Spud, I dont know if dahlia tubers are edible! I think they callthem potato flower because they look like potatoes.

Given how well you did with melons, I bet you can create way togarden in your alkaline soul. I read sulfur is a good way to acidify soil.
raised beds witn your own formulated soil might work.

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