Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Comment by Joan Denoo on November 10, 2014 at 11:39am

Barbara, I am enjoying your recommendations very much. Especially Masanobu Fukuoka. I wish I had heard of him before I pulled all those weeds that came up from my year of cancer dancing. His method makes sense, and I can make some little and big changes in my garden in response to his ideas. Permaculture is getting more fun every season. 


Comment by Idaho Spud on November 10, 2014 at 11:00am

I haven't been to Pocatello's Farmers' Market in about 2 years, so I'll try it again next season.

When I lived in a very small community 35 years ago, I got my milk fresh squeezed, unpasteurized and unhomogenized, from a dairy farmer just a half mile from me, and it was delicious.  We could leave any size container and he would fill it at the next milking.  It's probably against the law now.

I probably could have got most of my meat from local people there also, if I had asked around.  One acquaintance said he had just butchered one of his young calves, and ask if I wanted the liver. Oh, wow!  That fresh liver was one of the best things I've ever tasted!  Store-bought liver is like cardboard in comparison.

I've had freshly butchered rabbit as well, with similar taste satisfaction.  I just found the address of a rabbit farmer near here, and I plan on paying him a visit in the near future.

Comment by Don on November 10, 2014 at 7:38am

Here in the Northeast Kingdom, fortunate to live not far from Peaslee's Potato Farm.  The spuds are tasty, fresh, and really inexpensive because, sold locally, there are no shipping costs added on. 

Comment by Don on November 10, 2014 at 7:32am

Some farmers' markets are no better that supermarkets, I guess.  Here in Vermont (Vermont has more farmers' markets per capita than any other state), ours are almost all excellent, although many are expensive, discouraging a lot of low-income shoppers.  Several enterprising local farms also sell their produce (including meats) right at the farm, day in day out.  Chandler Pond Farm, just three miles from me, is terrific.

As for pruning fruit trees (apple, cherry, and pear especially) and highbush blueberries, it's definitely recommended for the trees' vigor, the size and health of the fruit, and even for appearance.  The definitive resource on the subject is Lewis Hill's PRUNING SIMPLIFIED.  He was a wonderful, wise, and pioneering gardener whose books remain highly regarded. 

Comment by Randall Smith on November 10, 2014 at 7:02am

I haven't read anything about not pruning fruit trees, but I'm a strong believer that it's not necessary, unless you're doing it commercially. For one thing, pruned trees look horrible. And there's a plentiful supply of fruit w/o lopping off limbs. Besides, it's hard work. What do you do with the limbs? Never again, for me.

As for growing your own potatoes vs. market, it's not the cost. It's the satisfaction and joy of self reliance--and gardening! Taste matters, too.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 9, 2014 at 11:38am

Daniel, I agree with your reasons to grow spuds.  If I had the room, I'd grow hundreds of pounds a year.  Even with my very limited space, I plan on growing some next year.

Don, Farmers' Markets sound like a good deal in most places, but I've not been impressed with the one in my town.  The prices seem to be about regular store prices, and the taste is no better.

Comment by Idaho Spud on November 9, 2014 at 11:31am

Barbara, thanks for the link to the root pruning video.  I had never heard of it before, but after watching several of them, it sounds like  a much better way.  I'm going to try it.

Comment by Don on November 9, 2014 at 11:10am

I used to grow potatoes here in northern Vermont (fingerlings and red potatoes) for the pleasure of it and because I like the look of the plants, even though keeping after the potato beetles can be a real chore.  But lately I prefer to use the garden space for other things.  The farmers' markets offer all kinds of varieties, and the local commercial growers sell white potatoes at $2.99 for 10 pounds.  Can't beat that. 

Comment by Barbara Livingston on November 9, 2014 at 11:05am

Daniel, Many different ways to do things ....  

Yep, I agree and the reason for my post awhile ago about being overwhelmed with information and ideas.  

Like your statement about if it grows it grows and if it dies, so be it. All we can do is use good growing techniques and then wait.

I'm inclined to think my final plan with include several fruit trees - regular and dwarf - and they will be pruned down so I can readily pick the fruit from them. :)  Your orchard is truly a fine example of what can be done. I can only imagine what it will be like once all your trees are producing. You'll be able to have a roadside stand to recoup some of your expenses!


Comment by Daniel W on November 9, 2014 at 10:43am

potatoes for $1 so why grow your own?


Valid question - if it costs the gardener more to grow them than to buy at Winco or Aldi or Walmart, why grow your own?

my thoughts-

-if your perpetuate your own seed potatoes, it becomes free as far as money is concerned

-there is a connection to earth and soil, especially locally, when you grow your own.  I can't describe that.  I feel it.

-maintaining the tradition, means the process is less mysterious.  It's really easy, and minimal effort, but somehow coming from the grocery store it seems like expertise is needed.

-your own potatoes, I hope, are not laden with herbicides and pesticides.

-continue multi strains, especially locally adapted and individualistic for flavor, novelty, local productivity.

-genetic diversity.  Industrialized growing means dependence on a very small # of strains, unwise and unsafe and dependent on corporate ag.

- I thought my home grown potatoes were bursting with flavor.  One becomes so accustomed to store potatoes, tasting like cardboard, we really don't realize that potatoes are intended to be delicious.

Those are my thoughts added to the article.  I intend to continue growing potatoes next year.


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