Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 180
Latest Activity: yesterday

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Old and Green. Gardening with an older body.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo yesterday. 33 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo on Friday. 0 Replies

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

Growing Tomatoes in Martian Soil

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 7. 6 Replies

Bring On The Soldier Flies!

Started by Joan Denoo Jun 5. 0 Replies

Urban Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 3. 1 Reply

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Comment by Idaho Spud on May 20, 2014 at 8:36am

Randall, sorry about your beet seedlings.  

I still don't know what ate my direct-sow tiny seedling last year.  I know it wasn't rabbits.  None here in the city.

I was thinking it was bugs, but the it happened to the whole 10-foot row overnight, so now I'm thinking birds.  Some people say they eat young beet leaves.  Does anyone know if that's true or not?

Barbara, that is a funny vision of beet-loving bunnies.  Reminds me of the Wallace & Gromit movie "The Curse of the Were-Rabbit".

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 20, 2014 at 8:14am

Randall, I know it certainly isn't funny to you, but, I have this vision of hundreds of bunnies running around and all are saying "yum, beets, I just love beets"!  

I finally realized that I hadn't been watering all my seedlings enough. Now that I realize it they are shooting up out of the pots.  It's funny how one of us is dealing with too much rain, another is needing it desperately. I'm working towards attracting birds, bees, butterflies, squirrels, etc. to my yard,  and you wish wildlife would leave your garden alone.

Sorry about your beets though. 

Comment by Randall Smith on May 20, 2014 at 8:04am

I planted more sweet corn yest. I still haven't learned that it doesn't pay to plant too early. My month old attempt failed miserably. Then, there's my beet transplants: damn rabbits chewed all, and I mean ALL the tops off! Must have been a herd of them! I doubt they'll grow back.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 19, 2014 at 8:52am

King, you didn't say which flycatcher. I have seen the scissor-tailed flycatchers, usually in a small park near my home.  I was walking with my dog early one morning and there were several sitting in one tree, going through what was obviously a mating ritual.  

Comment by Barbara Livingston on May 19, 2014 at 8:47am

I use epsom salt around my shrubs and rose bush, but there are so many useful other useful uses in organic gardening. Do you use it too?  


Comment by king on May 18, 2014 at 5:06pm
Have any of you seen a fly catcher bird
Comment by Idaho Spud on May 18, 2014 at 7:41am

Glad I don't have the world record slugs that Daniel has.  I used to have quite a few until I removed the bark from under the trees.  Now I very seldom see any, but if I see one, I'm sure there are more.

Comment by Randall Smith on May 18, 2014 at 7:37am

I hear diatomaceous earth (D.E.) works well in discouraging slugs. Fortunately, I've never had much of a problem with them.

Yes, I average about 36" of rain a year. Deceiving because it doesn't come at regular intervals or amounts. We still have droughts and floods.

Comment by Daniel W on May 17, 2014 at 5:53pm

Spud, the wet winter and cool summer results in excellent growth of moss and mold.    We have slugs that are damn near world records.  This year has been stranger than usual, with some unusual highs.  Last winter had a record cold.

I don't mind.  It's a challenge for me because I didn't grow up here, so I don't have a tradition of growing things here.  Each year I say "This is the year I'm going to learn to grow....(fill in the blank).  So I learn.  Or sometimes, I learn it can't be done the way I tried.

As of now, the tomatoe seedlings are in the raised beds.  Yay!  Snowpeas are in bloom.  Garlic is the best looking I've grown.  Potatoes are growing.  Peppers are in bloom.  I really nurtured the pepper seedlings this year, under lights.  Something is eating the potato leaves.  Maybe slugs.  Sprinkled organic slug bait around them.  If it's potato beetle or something like that, I'll have to let them do their thing.

King, have a great time at ISU!  

Randy, glad you got some snow peas growing.  Snow peas are great!

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 17, 2014 at 5:16pm

Randy, on average, it looks like you get almost 4 times as much rain as I do, and your temperatures are about the same.

Daniel, the temperatures you report sound very high for Washington, so I looked-up your averages.  You get 4 times as much rain as I do and your low winter temperatures are about 16 degrees higher than mine, but my average high summer temperatures are about 7 degrees higher.


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