Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on June 2, 2014 at 12:54pm

Some of your dandelions too I see.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 2, 2014 at 12:44pm

Daniel, I think you said how your watermelon experiment went last year, but I forgot and would like to know.  And, are you going to try again this year?

Today, I received some watermelon seeds that my extension agent recommended, "Blacktail Mountain" (65-75 days) and "Cream of Saskatchewan" (80-85 days) from the "Seed Savers Exchange".

A month ago, I tried to order them from the only one of the top 30 companies that had both kinds in "Dave's Garden" site, but it wouldn't take my payment either directly or with pay-pal, and they wanted an extra $8+ for telephone orders, so I didn't order.

My 5 other kinds of watermelons that I'm starting in containers have all popped-up and are basking in the sun as I type.

I'll probably start the two I got today in containers tomorrow.  I don't feel like doing much today because my digestive system has been giving me trouble (WARNING: GROSS ALERT).

Yesterday evening, I started having a lot of pain in my lower digestive tract, and kept going to the toilet, with softer poop each time.  After a while, just in case, I left my clothing off, and good thing.  I suddenly got the urge with the toilet only 5 seconds away, but it came squirting-out in 3 seconds.  And most of it landed on one of my containers that had watermelon seeds in.  Well, I didn't want to start over, so I scraped it off and scooped out one inch of potting soil under it, hoping the liquid part of the poop hadn't went down further than that, or that my own poop wouldn't cause me any ill effects when I ate those melons.  What do you guys think?  Should I throw that one away and start it again?

Comment by king on June 2, 2014 at 12:40pm

this is a bit of a test but theres are smoe of my tulips 

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 2, 2014 at 12:18pm

King, I've an Apple iMac computer, so I'm not sure if it works the same as a Windows computer, but here's how I do it.  

I put the picture on the desktop so it's easy to find.

I then left click at the place in this box where I want the image to be.

I then left click on the picture image at the top of this box.  It's the icon just after the word "LINK", and just before the video icon.

When I click that icon, a box will pop-up that says "ADD IMAGE" with a couple of options in it.  The default option is called "From My Computer", and has a box drawn around it.  Below that is "File" and "Choose File" with a rounded box drawn around it.  

I click on "Choose File" and another box pops-up with a list of programs and the "Desktop" highlighted.  To the right of that is a list of files, and I click on the image file I want.

Comment by king on June 2, 2014 at 10:19am

i started some eastern white pine witch are native here and i have luck with seeds before and a couple bule spruce not native but what the heck ok question on posting i have pic on my PC how do i post them here

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 2, 2014 at 10:05am

Air layering sounds easier.  Thanks.

Comment by Daniel W on June 2, 2014 at 10:04am

Oh, on how to identify a grafted tree.  Often you can see the graft point as swelling or irregular area near ground level.  It can have a swelling or change in the bark appearance.  I would not let that stop me from trying cuttings.  It's all an experiment.

Comment by Daniel W on June 2, 2014 at 9:58am


That's an interesting project.  I've thought about starting apples or crabapples from cuttings too.

Most nursery stock is grafted because it's fast and easy.  Some don't root easily from cuttings.  Sometimes they use seedlings for rootstock, and sometimes they use specialized rootstock that are adapted to local soils, or disease resistant, or have benefits such as dwarfing the tree to specific sizes.

Crab apples and apples should be interchangible as far as rootstocks are concerned.  Crab apples are often used as pollinator trees for apples, so they are closely related and hybridize.

A lot of apple rootstocks are made by a type of cutting technique, although the method leaves the stems connected to the parent plant until they grow roots.  So that indicates to me that apples should be reasonably easy to root.  I haven't tried.  Yet.

One option would be air layering.   Here is a link about that.  Here is another description.  I have not done air layering, but am thinking about it for some lilacs and a cherry tree.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 2, 2014 at 8:33am

Daniel, I plan on trying a cutting from a crab apple tree again this fall, but what you said made me think that it may be on a rootstock.

If so, will it have a larger area just above ground level, and if so, my cutting will still grow true correct?  But it would probably be best to plant a seed for a rootstock first.  Is that correct?

Comment by Daniel W on June 2, 2014 at 7:33am
king Ive grown lots of fig trees from cuttings but not your climate. I have grown grapes from cuttings and have a row of little plum trees I started from cuttings this winter. I do hardwood cuttings, which use hardened off, dormant growth from the previous season.

You can also plant seeds from some fruits and use the baby trees as rootstock for grafting.

I have used suckers that grow from underground from dwarf trees, as rootstock. if they already have roots that works pretty wrll for me.I habe 2 baby apple trees growing now I started that way this year.

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