Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Soil: regenerative land management

Started by Joan Denoo 13 hours ago. 0 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 21. 3 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Jul 18. 1 Reply

To cure your garlic

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Jul 16. 1 Reply

Harvesting vegetables

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jul 9. 4 Replies

The Hen in Winter

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 4. 10 Replies

Fruit Pests: Apricot

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 28. 3 Replies

Permaculture, Ben Falk

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 24. 1 Reply

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Daniel W on October 5, 2013 at 1:31pm


This was my first year attempting melons, so I'm still learning.  I would like to do better next year.

Other vine plants, like cucumbers and zucchinis, do well here.  There have been some to pick at least once a week, several at a time.

I also got 3 squashes on a butternut squash plant.  That was planted as an afterthought.  They were located in soil where I had compost piled up last year, and removed all of the compost for the raised beds.  They probably still benefited from what leached out.  Anxious to see how those taste too.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 5, 2013 at 1:14pm

Sentient, congratulations on the cantaloupes.  I may try that variety next year.   After that one cantaloup that spent most of the year in a pot, and I waited too long to harvest, the vines finally took-off and looked very healthy, but didn't have time to grow any more melons.

The last time I checked my large watermelon, it had green tendrils near the melon.  Today they were tan and dried.  The bottom of the melon looked a little yellow:

Comment by Daniel W on October 5, 2013 at 12:41pm


Those are beautiful melons. 

Last week I harvested my "one" Blacktail Mountain melon.  I think it was underripe.  I looked at the web, most sites said the underside should be yellow.  Or the stem should be dried out instead of green.  Mine was faded but not yellow.  The stem was still green.  Inside was salmon pink, not terrible but I think red would indicate ripeness.

Meanwhile an animal ate a big hole in my other melon, a small yellow variety.  So much for that!

The "Minnesota midget" cantaloupes were good.Grapefruit to Orange size.  Only a few spoons full in each one, but worth the effort.  I think with small size, they had better chance to ripen.

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 5, 2013 at 12:32pm

The first frost came this morning (28 F), so I harvested all my watermelon.  I was surprised by how much they weighed.    

The 3 on the right are Moon and Stars, and weighed 51, 34, and 18 pounds.  I read that they are supposed to be between 20 and 50 pounds.  The  two on the left are Sugar Baby and weigh 5 and 0.75 pounds.  

However, the taste was very disappointing.  They were mealy, with a weak watery flavor. I think they were over-ripe.

I expect to do better next year.

Comment by Daniel W on October 2, 2013 at 10:36pm


The volunteer sungolds were a gift from nature. 

I would not have tried Hawaiian Pineapple except it was grafted.  I thought the extra vigor might overcome the 80 day aspect.  I don't know if it did - too much chaos this year. 

I thought the plant must have a compromise - energy going to tomatoes would not be going to potatoes, and vice versa.  But maybe that's OK - it looks like a vigorous plant.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 1, 2013 at 1:17pm
What a great idea. Those tomatoes sound delicious. I harvested six Sun Gold cherry tomatoes from the volunteer plant that I neglected. They were delicious. There are probably 100more in various
states of development, but too small to fuss with.

"Hawaiian Pineapple", It appears to be an 80 day variety, too long for Spokane. Maybe worth a try if I put it in a protected spot.

The potatoes in the film look so healthy! and delicious.
Comment by Daniel W on October 1, 2013 at 9:52am

Something interesting.  I don't know how beneficial it is - but interesting.  I grew a grafted tomato plant this year.  It grew like crazy, but suffered due to my forgetting about it and it went unwatered.  It was "Hawaiian Pineapple" - a heritage variety, and the few that we got from it were super delicious, but small. I studied up on grafting tomatoes, and grew some rootstock, but events this spring kept me from doing some things I wanted to do.



Comment by Daniel W on October 1, 2013 at 9:29am


You are right, of course.  Putting things in the ground is very comforting.  Now they are settled in, the rain has settled the soil around them, and they can start growing roots.  It's all done, and I feel good about that.

I wasn't as diligent with making the holes deep enough and "just perfect", this year.  Some may have been too shallow.  The holes are  uneven.  They will grow fine, but the flowers might fall over more easily.    Some are interplanted among bearded irises, which have been an obsession for me - I have set aside 3 of the raised beds for those.

All told, I planted...

3 bags  yellow daffodils, 60 per bag - budget bags

2 bags white triandrus narcissus, 10 per bag

2 bags "minnow"  narcissus, 10 per bag

2 bags "naturalizer mix daffodils", 20 per bag

2 bags muscari, 25 per bag

1 bags of a hybrid daffodil, I didn't write down name.  12 per bag.

2 large crown imperial frittilaria bulbs.  I have never been able to get these to grow.  This time I included them in a raised bed that is mainly heritage bearded irises.

2 bags of "Jetfire" daffodil.  I should have dug up the bunch that I originally planted 13 years ago - it has multiplied nicely.  But I didn't have the ambition / energy / where-with-all last spring.  10 per bag.

Plus some Alliums, I think 2 bags of 6, and some that I dug up this summer and kept in the garage to replant.

Plus 2 Camassia, which I also dug up and left under a tree during the summer.  Those might be dead, but they looked good.

Also 1 bag of anemones, 25 per bag.  Last year I planted a different anemone variety.  They were nice, but not super duper.  I like the idea, they are rabbit and deer resistant.  I don't know if they will come up again next year.

2 bags of hyacinths, 10 per bag.

Some of the packages -

It sounds like a lot, but the planting was spread over a few weeks.   Planting in the raised beds was very easy.  There was no plan, just stick them here and there.

No tulips - deer and rabbits eat them.  Muscaari, in theory animal resistant, but several were eaten last year, so I only added one package.

In the Spring, my yard in town will be filled with Scilla  (Hyacinthoides hispanica) that took over.  Last year I moved about 10 big bunches after they came up, and they grew and bloomed fine.  So next year I might move more of those too, once I know where to dig.  Very animal resistant, free,  can dig when not much else is happening garden-wise, and supposedly make for a good early bee forage.

When I'm tired, or down, sometimes I loiter in the garden section of Fred Meyer or Home Depot, which results in buying way too many of these.  But I don't drink , don't smoke, and don't even buy coffee-shop coffee, so these can be considered my vice.

Joan those are great photos, illustrate the nurturing aspect of gardening and making bread.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 29, 2013 at 11:23pm

Daniel, anyone who plants, plants for the future. I do wish you well, and freedom from pain and fatigue. Wish you could rest more. There is comfort in getting bulbs in the ground and then sitting down to freshly made pies and bread using the fruits of your labor. 

I ran across this photo looking for a way to express the meditative qualities of bread making and found this:

Comment by Daniel W on September 29, 2013 at 10:47pm


Actually your worrying does benefit me!  But I don't want you to worry.  It's so good to know you want me to do better.  That by itself makes a big difference!

And I am doing better.

I love baking.  It's another form of puttering meditation.  I doubt that the Buddha puttered, but it works for me!

More "Northwet" today.  Blowing and raining!

The rest of the bulbs are planted.  I bit off all I could chew, but not more.  Which is good.  Now they are "incubating" in the soil, growing roots and forming flower buds to make Spring colorful and happy.

Curling up with reading and writing is cozy.  A great way to enjoy the fall season!

I think your friend is living in the moment.  A lesson for all.  I can't get out of living for a future too, in this case, planting the fall stuff for spring enjoyment.


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