Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Broadfork Chicken MIRACLE

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Oct 8. 4 Replies

What Killed My Chicken - How To Know

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 28. 2 Replies

Polluting Yourself with Leaf Blowers

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Daniel Wachenheim Sep 22. 6 Replies

Willow tree

Started by Thomas Murray. Last reply by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Sep 15. 12 Replies

Front yard gardening. Edible Estates.

Started by Daniel Wachenheim. Last reply by k.h. ky Sep 15. 14 Replies

Archer Strawberry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 2 Replies

Deer Fence Installed! But Where's the Mulch?

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Sep 6. 1 Reply

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

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Comment by Idaho Spud on June 2, 2014 at 10:05am

Air layering sounds easier.  Thanks.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on June 2, 2014 at 10:04am

Oh, on how to identify a grafted tree.  Often you can see the graft point as swelling or irregular area near ground level.  It can have a swelling or change in the bark appearance.  I would not let that stop me from trying cuttings.  It's all an experiment.

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on June 2, 2014 at 9:58am


That's an interesting project.  I've thought about starting apples or crabapples from cuttings too.

Most nursery stock is grafted because it's fast and easy.  Some don't root easily from cuttings.  Sometimes they use seedlings for rootstock, and sometimes they use specialized rootstock that are adapted to local soils, or disease resistant, or have benefits such as dwarfing the tree to specific sizes.

Crab apples and apples should be interchangible as far as rootstocks are concerned.  Crab apples are often used as pollinator trees for apples, so they are closely related and hybridize.

A lot of apple rootstocks are made by a type of cutting technique, although the method leaves the stems connected to the parent plant until they grow roots.  So that indicates to me that apples should be reasonably easy to root.  I haven't tried.  Yet.

One option would be air layering.   Here is a link about that.  Here is another description.  I have not done air layering, but am thinking about it for some lilacs and a cherry tree.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 2, 2014 at 8:33am

Daniel, I plan on trying a cutting from a crab apple tree again this fall, but what you said made me think that it may be on a rootstock.

If so, will it have a larger area just above ground level, and if so, my cutting will still grow true correct?  But it would probably be best to plant a seed for a rootstock first.  Is that correct?

Comment by Daniel Wachenheim on June 2, 2014 at 7:33am
king Ive grown lots of fig trees from cuttings but not your climate. I have grown grapes from cuttings and have a row of little plum trees I started from cuttings this winter. I do hardwood cuttings, which use hardened off, dormant growth from the previous season.

You can also plant seeds from some fruits and use the baby trees as rootstock for grafting.

I have used suckers that grow from underground from dwarf trees, as rootstock. if they already have roots that works pretty wrll for me.I habe 2 baby apple trees growing now I started that way this year.
Comment by king on June 2, 2014 at 2:41am

ok any of u ever started a fuirt tree from cutting by rooting them 

Comment by king on May 31, 2014 at 10:45pm
I'm burnt sore and so glad to be home
Comment by Idaho Spud on May 31, 2014 at 11:59am

Never heard of goji berries until I looked-it-up on Wiki.  The article looked familiar.  Have you mentioned them before?

But that reminds me: When I thought a huge amount of vitamin C was good for my health, I tried growing a hedge of roses that had huge rose hips, but none of them survived.  I wonder how many millions of years it would take to get good at gardening.

Comment by Idaho Spud on May 31, 2014 at 10:13am

Joan, I found one small ripe strawberry this morning.  Did I beat you?  Have you found any ripe ones yet?

Comment by Randall Smith on May 31, 2014 at 7:32am

Does anybody have any experience with growing goji berries? I hear they're super beneficial for one's health.


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