Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on October 6, 2013 at 1:45pm
Spud, I am with Patricia in liking pickled beets. They are a great favorite of mine, and they are so pretty on a plate of food. A treat for the eye and taste buds.
I would guess that starting beets in pots will not solve the problem. This is just a hunch, It is worth a try, however. My first option would be to protect them with a row cover.
You might try a row of radishes or other fast growing leaf plant, i.e. lettuce, and see if birds eat them. They love fresh greens. If birds peck at them when they are very young and before roots become too strong, the plant will lift out of the ground.
Beets go on my seed list for next spring.
We had the fourth straight day of light frost on the garage roof but not on tomatoes, yet.
Comment by Joan Denoo on October 6, 2013 at 1:33pm
Chris, I like your comments of your harvest and strange year. I have not a clue why your beets didn't grow. Do you have mice on your roof garden? Perhaps they nibble them, although that is just a guess. The only other thing I could imagine is moles, but it is highly unlikely that you would be bothered with them. What about crows, or other birds that like fresh greens? If that is the case, a light covering would protect them. Just another guess.
Beet greens are one of my favorite vegetables. I cut bacon into small pieces, cook it and set aside to drain. I add chopped onions to the bacon grease and lightly brown them. Set aside to drain. Pour off most of the fat, add a bit of sugar and brown ever so lightly, add the greens, bacon and onions, and pour in a splash of vinegar. I do the same with Swiss chard, turnip greens and spinach.
Comment by Plinius on October 6, 2013 at 7:41am

I didn't taste them, Spud, the packet said roots, not chards. But it's an idea, I'll try them this week. And that same something ate a lot of young beetroots here, it must be a traveller. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 6, 2013 at 7:22am

Chris, How does the yellow beet leaves taste?  

I like to grow beets just for the greens because I very much like the flavor.  The flavor of the roots don't do much for me, so I can take them or leave them.

I sowed a large row of beets this spring, but something ate them  all when they were 0.4 inch high.  Next year, I'll start them in pots and plant them in the garden when they are larger.

Comment by Plinius on October 6, 2013 at 12:12am

Those melons look good!

I found three tomatoes, stil green. I'm not sure about the right time to harvest, but the temperature is going down so I put them on a sunny window sill to ripen.

I sowed beetroots a few times this year. Most young plants disappeared without a trace but a white variety developed into strong healthy plants - and that's all they did! Not one beetroot! I'm still wondering what I did wrong.

Harvested and froze a lot of herbs, and had garlic from my roof garden the whole summer.

But it was a strange year: we had an unusually cold spring and after that everything happened two months late. The lime trees have just dropped their seeds and I I have gor a white phlox still blooming - I've never seen this in October!

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 5, 2013 at 3:41pm

OK, I get it now Joan.  Thanks for the hat-tip.

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 5, 2013 at 1:51pm

Spud, I noticed that and tried to find a gif that the Cat made a hat-tip. I found no such thing. So a Hat in the Cat will have to do for now. 

Your photos just make my heart sing! Congrats!

Comment by Idaho Spud on October 5, 2013 at 1:47pm

Ha!  Joan, that looks more like hat in the cat!

And Sentinet, zucchinis have been prolific everywhere I've been!

Comment by Joan Denoo on October 5, 2013 at 1:34pm

Oh! You guys make my day! what joyous sights, and reports! I haven't tried melons in years and will do so next spring. I sent for a heirloom, organic seed catalog the other day and have a list going. I think I will stay with 50-60 day maturity, even though some of the growing zones show Spokane moving into zone 6. I don't believe it. Especially with our last three nights with light frost on the garage roof. Frost has not hit the lone volunteer tomato plant yet and I may cut off one branch that has some very green Sun Gold cherry tomatoes on it. 

A hat tip to both Daniel and Spud for your fine results and experiments. Next summer should be less busy than this. And we have learned so much from each other. 

Seed heads form on my sunflowers as the yellow petals drop. The birds will have a fine harvest. Squrrels are so very busy and they leave big messes as they bury their Horse chestnuts. We should have a magnificent forest of chestnuts growing next spring ... and I will be ready for the challenge. 

I hope this Cat in the Hat gif works. 

Cat in the Hat gif

Comment by Daniel W on October 5, 2013 at 1:31pm


This was my first year attempting melons, so I'm still learning.  I would like to do better next year.

Other vine plants, like cucumbers and zucchinis, do well here.  There have been some to pick at least once a week, several at a time.

I also got 3 squashes on a butternut squash plant.  That was planted as an afterthought.  They were located in soil where I had compost piled up last year, and removed all of the compost for the raised beds.  They probably still benefited from what leached out.  Anxious to see how those taste too.


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