Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Joan Denoo on September 15, 2013 at 12:35pm

Daniel, you probably have done the same search as I, and here is what I found:

Grow Your Best Fall Garden Vegetables: What, When and How

" In colder climates it’s prime time to sow carrots, rutabagas, and turnips to harvest in the fall. Filling space vacated by spring crops with summer-sown vegetables will keep your garden productive well into fall, and even winter."

~ published August/September 2009


"Turnips are easy to grow if sown in the proper season. They mature in two months and may be planted either in the spring, late summer or fall for roots or greens. The spring crop is planted for early summer use. The fall crop, which is usually larger and of higher quality, is often stored for winter use."

Also includes varieties list

Urban Programs Resource Network

Comment by Daniel W on September 15, 2013 at 8:59am

Late winter / early spring I was over-enthusiastic about planting Buddleias -I thought they would be good forage for honeybees. The honeybees ignore them. And they need dead-heading to look less messy.  But bubblebees are enthusiastic. These are a non-invasive variety, but they grew fast.  So I think I'll leave them in place.

Comment by Daniel W on September 15, 2013 at 8:35am

Chris, your reaction to the religious environment is much like mine.  I know I'm illegal in the religious world.  It's religion that should be illegal.

Joan, my paternal great-grandfather was a butcher, and my mother's dad raised animals for slaughter.  My dad hunted animals.  And I am vegetarian.  But they sometimes said they wondered if I was a mix up in the hospital. 

Yesterday I cleaned up a vegetable raised bed.  My partner wants to grow cabbages and turnips.  It might be too late.  I am thinking about a cover for the bed, so it works like a cold frame.  I added a wheelbarrow of compost and topped it with a fine soil-compost mix.

Then I completed construction and filling of another raised bed.  This one will be multiplier onions.  The soil mix is about 1/3 to 1/2 compost from the yard debris composting center.  The bulk topsoil is collected from mole hill.  Two acres has a lot of mole hills.  I collect them with a flat shovel, getting a wheelbarrow load every couple of weeks.  The soil is finely ground, no stones, no weeds, few weed seeds, light, mixes easily.  Since they tunnel deeply, the soil should contain minerals that wash deeply due to NW rains.  This ameliorates my annoyance at the little kritters.

Comment by Plinius on September 15, 2013 at 12:51am

I have a theory that people, even several generations removed from active religious practices, continue to act according the religious teachings.


Perhaps men do so, but as a woman growing up in religious surroundings, I've always felt illegal, like an unwanted stranger. That is what you get from the womanhaters the bible and the church are filled with. But, being unwanted, it was easier for me to leave and it left me free to make my own rules.


Comment by Joan Denoo on September 14, 2013 at 3:43pm

Spud, my family were "meat and potatoes" people too. My father and grandfather owned their own slaughter houses and butcher shops in small rural towns in Whitman County, WA state. We ate everything from pigs ears to beef tails, even pickled pigs feet. They made their own sausages, and I remember helping Dad fill casings with sausage and twisting between each wiener or sausage. My grandmothers raised, killed and cooked chickens for Sunday meals and we kids helped with those chores. We never thought anything about the processes used. 

I don't know if a small town butcher or farmer is more or less humane with animals. I do know that agribusiness uses horrid procedures. I first became aware of it reading Upton Sinclair, The Jungle, before I went away to college. 

I know my father and grandfather did not use good hygiene in their procedures and only realized that after growing into adulthood.  I tried to talk to Dad's sister about her memories, and she was incensed that I even asked questions. It was years later that she refused to discuss family violence and assured me I told the truth but should not talk about it. 

Silence is not the answer in the face of cruelty, bad sanitation, inhumane treatment of people or animals or soils. 

I have a theory that people, even several generations removed from active religious practices, continue to act according the religious teachings.

1. Man has the right of dominion, whether over wives, children or any living thing, flora or fauna.

2. Man is entitled to the goods and services of others without regard for the cost to those affected.

3. Man passes beliefs on to future generations, even those who do no follow the active support of a church.  

I also think non-believers should speak up and challenge those who make claims they cannot support, i.e. god answers prayers, there is a god who listens, there is a heaven or hell, a savior is there to take care of us, who is a sacrificial lamb for believers.

These are simple delusions that should not be difficult to take on. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 14, 2013 at 2:45pm

Daniel, I very much like the plant/garden/bug images! They remind me that the dimension in which we live is not all there is. Use a microscope and telescope and whole new worlds open up.

The adv for Chipotle gave a reflection of the world as we know it, but don't see or recognize exists. The farmer's produce stand gives a glimmer of hope. 

I have my seeds that I didn't plant this year ready to go for next year. That thought renews me. 

I'm not much of smoothie fan, however your recipes sound delicious. I have lost gobs of weight, which is good, but nothing tastes good to me. I smash food into my mouth, and it reappears as green pond slime.

We have had some really bad news this past week. Two of the firemen who volunteer with Laura and Larry on Dist 8 Fire Dept for Pend Oreille county are in the hospital with leukemia. It appears radon in the well water is the prime suspect. Laura took water samples in for testing because they are on well water. They have filters on supply lines, but are not sure if they filter radon.   They also have their water tested on a yearly basis, however, the test doesn't cover radon. 

Pend Oreille Co. is near the uranium mines on the Indian Reservation, so I suppose they are at greater risk. 

Laura was with me when I had my appointment with my radiologist and we discussed the issues with him. She told him what they are doing, he assured her that she is doing the right things. It appears Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer in the United States and is associated with 15,000 to 22,000 lung cancer deaths each year. 

Comment by Plinius on September 14, 2013 at 2:37pm

a bit scary - because it's all there but invisible - but very beautiful!

Comment by Daniel W on September 14, 2013 at 10:16am

These are not all plant/garden/bug images, but a lot of them are.  The series is labeled as "amazing and gruesome" but I think it's quite beautiful.


this is a sample, a type of fungus with spores.

Photos of the Amazing and Gruesome World Under a Microscope

Comment by Daniel W on September 14, 2013 at 9:42am

This is an add for Chipotle...  but it sadly and beautifully expresses a lot.



Comment by Idaho Spud on September 14, 2013 at 9:20am

I just bought some frozen broccoli.  I'll try that smoothie if I don't get distracted by the thousand things I want to do bouncing around in my brain.


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