Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

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Hope in the Middle of Big Ag

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Aug 3. 1 Reply

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Comment by Grinning Cat on December 25, 2014 at 11:51pm

A working link to "The Trouble With Worms":


("... Pennsylvania's forests evolved without earthworms .... The key to health in the Keystone state's forests resides in a fungal-based soil that slowly decomposes its organic matter.... Earthworms are notorious disturbers of soil. Their disturbance creates healthy conditions for farms and gardens, but unhealthy conditions for forests....")

Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 25, 2014 at 10:33pm

Just when we think we are doing good ... I sat at a dinner table with an "expert on all things" this evening and after discussing 'black holes' I mentioned permaculture and we wound up discussing worms.  He informed me that not all worms are good and that in Pennsylvania and areas of the northeast they are studying ways to combat them.  Yep, earthworms.  I found it hard to believe and came home and Googled it ... my results:


This is what the guy was talking about.  Any comments?  Joan, since we are the ones raising worms I wondered what you make of it?

Comment by Daniel W on December 25, 2014 at 2:20pm
Barbara Im glad your vacuum mulcher is working. It sounds like a great tool!
Comment by Daniel W on December 25, 2014 at 2:19pm
Barbara, I dont know the answer to your question. Adding to the complicated picture - the Amazon is rapidly being converted to crops and grasslands. Maybe grasslands would hold the soil better, but cropland?

I also dont know, how long can Africa continue to give up its soil? It cant be endless. If the Sahara became green, and the Amazon lost soil... does it equal out?

I know all I can take care of is my little plot of land. Which is improving, year by year. Much of the additive is brought in - that is not permaculture, but still it is better for yard waste compost to go to my soil, than for yard waste to burn or go to landfill. As my trees grow larger, I hope they give lots of leaves for mulch, too.
Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 25, 2014 at 1:02pm

I was wrong when I said my B&D vacuum/mulcher didn't work so well.  Defective operators are often the cause, as in this case.  Works fine if you use it correctly - don't try to suck up a whole pile of leaves at once, instead vacuum them up from the lawn making sweeping motions and you wind up with finely mulched leaves. :) 

I was looking for Epazote seeds and found them online at the Nichols Garden Nursery - in Oregon. Who can resist a seed catalog, online or otherwise and after reading a bit I discovered a some heirloom seeds. I don't eat tomatoes as a general rule, but couldn't resist Currant Tomato seeds.  Who knew there were currant sized tomatoes!  Lemon Cucumbers! Purple Podded Pole beans and National Pickling cucumbers.  Such fun! Even Russian Mammoth sunflowers for my feathered friends.

Comment by Barbara Livingston on December 25, 2014 at 12:48pm

>>The comments on the dust bowl led me to recall, I read N American soil blew as far as Europe, and in other readings I've read that African soil has blown to Brazil, and recently China soil reaches USA.  Unfortunately, I imagine most is lost to the ocean depths.

Daniel, I saw a film on PBS not too long ago about the Amazon jungle.  It addressed the dust storms coming from Africa and it was their theory that it was needed and merely a part of the earth taking care of itself.  The rains in the Amazon are constantly washing away the soil, thus making it very thin.  The dust coming from Africa replenishes the jungle with dirt.

Made sense to me at the time, but since then I've watched many permaculture videos and they seem to feel the desert can be re-claimed.  My question then is, if we reclaim the deserts what happens to the Amazon?  

Comment by Randall Smith on December 23, 2014 at 7:32am

You're a very persuasive lady, Patricia!

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 20, 2014 at 9:53pm

You have been busy, Daniel. Your Battleground property, with the rich variety of plants you take there, offers a treasure for you to share with your neighbors. The joy of gardens comes in the richness with building community. 

Comment by Daniel W on December 20, 2014 at 8:16pm

Joan, I'm glad you post!  You are not loading me with more work - I was sitting here vegetating and needed something that did not require too much energy or thought.  There is so much good info there, indexing makes it easier to find.  I didn't do a perfect job - we won't let the perfect be the enemy of the good enough.

This week I did a bit of plant scrounging.  Three lilac starts taken from suckers, at the base of my old lilac hedge.  Each is a different variety.  One hazelnut, a volunteer in the front border, squirrel planted.  Two staghorn sumac.  All went to the Battleground place.  Free, organic, locally proven, vigorous plants.  Each of those is in the 2 foot tall range.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 20, 2014 at 11:07am

Daniel, thanks for the link. It is worth a try. 

Also, thank you for your work to mak files available easily. I hate to load you with more work, but I want to post on your garden page ... the title, "Godless in the Garden" suits me well.

It is amazing how much material flows to us now about permaculture. I'm sorting by author, generally. If there is another way you want me to do it, I will happily comply.  


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