Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 180
Latest Activity: 21 hours ago

Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Old and Green. Gardening with an older body.

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo 21 hours ago. 33 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo on Friday. 0 Replies

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

Growing Tomatoes in Martian Soil

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 7. 6 Replies

Bring On The Soldier Flies!

Started by Joan Denoo Jun 5. 0 Replies

Urban Permaculture

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Grinning Cat Jun 3. 1 Reply

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Comment by Daniel W on December 25, 2013 at 8:43pm

Got the soil analysis.  Moved it to a separate discussion, in case anyone is interested.  Now that I have a lab analysis, I feel like I can be more scientific in my gardening.  The report changes the plans significantly.

Comment by Daniel W on December 24, 2013 at 5:47pm

Spud, I think it produces a lot better result with some cuttings.  I've used the powdered rooting hormone and the liquid, and none.  Every plant variety is different.  Some don't benefit at all - willow, forsythia, christmas cactus.  Some are pretty easy without it, but I think they do better, or faster,  with it - figs, roses, buddleia, grapes.  Some I don't think I can get to root without it - plum, laburnum.  Some things are so easy I've never tried rooting hormone - geraniums, grapes. 

I don't know how long it keeps.  I'm using a package I bought last year.

Comment by Idaho Spud on December 24, 2013 at 4:37pm

Daniel, does the Dip-and-Grow produce better results than using nothing?

Comment by Daniel W on December 24, 2013 at 4:13pm
Randall that sounds interesting. I should give it a try.
Comment by Randall Smith on December 24, 2013 at 8:38am

Wow--a lot of effort in making kraut! But cool, Daniel!  As far as freezer slaw, easy. Slice cabbage, carrots, pepper (I add tomatoes). Pour boiled vinegar/sugar liquid (with mustard and celery seed) over, and freeze in containers. I love it.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 22, 2013 at 2:30am

Chris, wonderful idea, and perfect site for such an endeavor. May I suggest Daniel's airlock picture for the chapter heading of fermentation and pickles? 

Comment by Plinius on December 22, 2013 at 1:24am

We could write a ´cookbook´ together, you all make  food I'd love to try. Is it too far off-topic to start here?

Comment by Daniel W on December 21, 2013 at 2:47pm

Joan, the airlock was via the internet.  I think it's not necessary but is fun to use.

I think it was you writing the cookbook!  Too much for me to take on!  Your talking about sauerkraut is what inspired me!

This makes me want to grow cabbage in the garden in 2014.  My attempt in 2013 was totally destroyed by the cabbage worms, slugs, rabbits, and deer.  I especially want to grow napa cabbage to make kimchi.

The last batch was too salty but when Ning stir fried it with vegetarian Italian sausage it was really good.

Home made really is more crispy and has great flavors!

Next time I will add Brussels Sprouts.  The ones in the store yesterday didn't look so good.

Comment by Joan Denoo on December 21, 2013 at 2:28pm

I never made sauerkraut by the jar. I suspect the flavor would be different. That white/green, slimy, stinking stuff that forms on top of the liquid in a big crock must add flavor if not tiny little organisms of some kind.  I don't think anyone else would want to eat my delicious, crisp, tangy, aromatic, flatulent making delicacy. 

Jeeze, I might make a crock full with my next summer's cabbages. 

Daniel, I like you elaborate airlock device. Did that come out of your laboratory? or was a special order piece of equipment? Very grand. That photo would be great for your cookbook you are writing ... or was that me planning to take on such a task? 

Comment by Daniel W on December 21, 2013 at 2:10pm

Freezer slaw?  How does that work out?  Must be good or you wouldn't make it!


Not exactly about gardening, but given that fermentation is about growing things - in this case, lactic acid bacteria - here it is.  This is my 2nd attempt at sauerkraut.  Why didn't my parents make this?  I bet my great grandparents did.

This was 5 pounds of organic cabbage, 3 tablespoons of coarse sea salt, and for the 2nd jar a tablespoon of caraway seeds.

I don't think the air-lock is needed on the right hand jar. The left 1/2 jar is sealed and weighed down using a water-filled plastic food bag.


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