Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

Location: Planet Earth
Members: 176
Latest Activity: on Sunday

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Plinius on September 15, 2013 at 12:51am

I have a theory that people, even several generations removed from active religious practices, continue to act according the religious teachings.


Perhaps men do so, but as a woman growing up in religious surroundings, I've always felt illegal, like an unwanted stranger. That is what you get from the womanhaters the bible and the church are filled with. But, being unwanted, it was easier for me to leave and it left me free to make my own rules.


Comment by Joan Denoo on September 14, 2013 at 3:43pm

Spud, my family were "meat and potatoes" people too. My father and grandfather owned their own slaughter houses and butcher shops in small rural towns in Whitman County, WA state. We ate everything from pigs ears to beef tails, even pickled pigs feet. They made their own sausages, and I remember helping Dad fill casings with sausage and twisting between each wiener or sausage. My grandmothers raised, killed and cooked chickens for Sunday meals and we kids helped with those chores. We never thought anything about the processes used. 

I don't know if a small town butcher or farmer is more or less humane with animals. I do know that agribusiness uses horrid procedures. I first became aware of it reading Upton Sinclair, The Jungle, before I went away to college. 

I know my father and grandfather did not use good hygiene in their procedures and only realized that after growing into adulthood.  I tried to talk to Dad's sister about her memories, and she was incensed that I even asked questions. It was years later that she refused to discuss family violence and assured me I told the truth but should not talk about it. 

Silence is not the answer in the face of cruelty, bad sanitation, inhumane treatment of people or animals or soils. 

I have a theory that people, even several generations removed from active religious practices, continue to act according the religious teachings.

1. Man has the right of dominion, whether over wives, children or any living thing, flora or fauna.

2. Man is entitled to the goods and services of others without regard for the cost to those affected.

3. Man passes beliefs on to future generations, even those who do no follow the active support of a church.  

I also think non-believers should speak up and challenge those who make claims they cannot support, i.e. god answers prayers, there is a god who listens, there is a heaven or hell, a savior is there to take care of us, who is a sacrificial lamb for believers.

These are simple delusions that should not be difficult to take on. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 14, 2013 at 2:45pm

Daniel, I very much like the plant/garden/bug images! They remind me that the dimension in which we live is not all there is. Use a microscope and telescope and whole new worlds open up.

The adv for Chipotle gave a reflection of the world as we know it, but don't see or recognize exists. The farmer's produce stand gives a glimmer of hope. 

I have my seeds that I didn't plant this year ready to go for next year. That thought renews me. 

I'm not much of smoothie fan, however your recipes sound delicious. I have lost gobs of weight, which is good, but nothing tastes good to me. I smash food into my mouth, and it reappears as green pond slime.

We have had some really bad news this past week. Two of the firemen who volunteer with Laura and Larry on Dist 8 Fire Dept for Pend Oreille county are in the hospital with leukemia. It appears radon in the well water is the prime suspect. Laura took water samples in for testing because they are on well water. They have filters on supply lines, but are not sure if they filter radon.   They also have their water tested on a yearly basis, however, the test doesn't cover radon. 

Pend Oreille Co. is near the uranium mines on the Indian Reservation, so I suppose they are at greater risk. 

Laura was with me when I had my appointment with my radiologist and we discussed the issues with him. She told him what they are doing, he assured her that she is doing the right things. It appears Radon is the second leading cause of lung cancer in the United States and is associated with 15,000 to 22,000 lung cancer deaths each year. 

Comment by Plinius on September 14, 2013 at 2:37pm

a bit scary - because it's all there but invisible - but very beautiful!

Comment by Daniel W on September 14, 2013 at 10:16am

These are not all plant/garden/bug images, but a lot of them are.  The series is labeled as "amazing and gruesome" but I think it's quite beautiful.


this is a sample, a type of fungus with spores.

Photos of the Amazing and Gruesome World Under a Microscope

Comment by Daniel W on September 14, 2013 at 9:42am

This is an add for Chipotle...  but it sadly and beautifully expresses a lot.



Comment by Idaho Spud on September 14, 2013 at 9:20am

I just bought some frozen broccoli.  I'll try that smoothie if I don't get distracted by the thousand things I want to do bouncing around in my brain.

Comment by Daniel W on September 14, 2013 at 9:02am

I like smoothies.  I eat them instead of ice cream.  I use a "magic bullet" blender.  Fill about 1/4 full with water.  Add a teaspoon of honey.  Blend to dissolve all of the honey.  Then add frozen fruit so it's about half full, and a little more water if needed to fully cover the fruit.  Blend until smooth.   Sometimes I have to add more water if it's too thick.  I like it sherbet consistency or like milk shake.

I do that with strawberries, or frozen fruit from the grocery store - tropical fruit mix, or blueberries, or peaches, or cherries, or apricots.

I also like a hot broccoli smoothie.  I use about a 1/2 cup of broccoli, a clove of garlic, some black pepper, and a bullion cube.  I add enough water to cover the broccoli and put it in a pan and boil a few minutes to soften the broccoli.  Then into a blender - the magic bullet leaks when hot.  I add some soft tofu, about 1/4 cup and blend until smooth.  Then I add some basil or oregano to the top.  I like that a lot and it's fast and easy.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 14, 2013 at 8:36am

Randall, I've only had a couple of smoothies.  They were fairly good, but nothing to write home about.  However, two is not enough to make a good judgment.

How do you dry your pears?

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 14, 2013 at 8:33am

Joan, I see the event you talked about was not local, but in Iowa and Wisconsin. I don't remember if you have any local gardening events, but I remember you posting some great gardens in your locality, so I still get to be jealous (smile).


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