Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees, backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, & composters!

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Welcome to Eden!

If you like to dig in the dirt, grow flowers, putter around the yard, dig in the kitchen garden, raise backyard hens, or just like daydreaming about the garden, this is the place.

Many topics have been discussed in the archive.  Revive a topic by adding your 2¢ or start a new topic.

Everyone likes photos of the garden, so if you like to share photos of your prize dahlia, your favorite hen, or your first tomato, go right ahead!

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Started by Dominic Florio. Last reply by Idaho Spud Sep 15. 15 Replies

Permaculture thinking and skills for youth

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 24. 3 Replies

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Comment by Barbara Livingston on January 2, 2015 at 10:39am

Eat my bunnies?! Oh golly, no!  :)))  I did not realize how popular rabbit raising for meat is, especially among the urban homesteaders and permaculture enthusiasts. While doing some research on rabbits I made all sorts of interesting discoveries, such as rabbits have hard time in heat over 85F. So will be a challenge to keep them cool during July and August.  The main reason I'm getting the bunnies is for their poop - being pets is secondary. Although I'll still pay for it, I won't have to buy and cart home organic fertilizer or compost from Lowe's ever again - and I'm smiling when I think about how well fed all my plants will be.

I didn't want to have a car payment, so I opted for a used 5-dr 2009 Toyota Matrix.  Verrry zippy, I have to be careful to not spin my tires at stop signs and pay attention to my speed. The entire cargo area, including the back of the full rear seats, which lay completely flat, are covered with a hard vinyl - giving me 5.5' of carrying space.     Purchased from dealership who has maintained it. 

Daniel, bagging the fruit makes sense for the backyard grower, but, now I understand why the big growers have resorted to pesticides. Doesn't make it right, I just understand. If you are going to bag all your fruit, it makes the E-Z-prune method more appealing. Considering how many fruit trees you have, once they begin to fruit you will be spending less time staring and more time bagging, have fun! 

My dad never used anything on our apple orchard and I remember "perfect" apples were set aside to be taken to school in our lunch bags. Bug holes, etc. were simply cut out and the rest of the apples were used - ditto with the peach and pears  All the rest were gathered for the pigs. Funny, even back in the 50's we were essentially permaculture.  

As far as the sub zero-wet-snowy-slushy weather y'all are experiencing ... think of it as stratification. A necessary botanical process. (':') 

Comment by Daniel W on January 2, 2015 at 8:54am

Barbara, I hope you enjoy your  bunnies!  Are they for pets, or eating?  I can't get too attached if they are for eating.  Of course, they do manufacture good fertilizer - important to all of us gardeners.

The fruit bagging is new to me.  I had no idea it's a long standing tradition, dating back centuries in Asia and nearly that in France.  It does seem like a lot of trouble.  To do it, labor and materials need to be cheap.  Or for the backyard hobbyist, like me, something to do instead of standing around peering at each but and each leaf.  Reading more, I want to try for more than just apples and Asian pears. With apples, on most of my trees it's not an issue of perfect fruit, it's an issue of any usable fruit.  The insects, animals, diseases leave just lumpy distorted too small to eat, apples.  What I liked about the articles is, they are actually evidence based, not just what someone thinks would work or not work.

Envious of your ability to grow oranges!  I am trying to grow a kumquat in a container, no fruit yet in 2 years.

You are right, we have to choose our battles.  More and more in life, I understand that!

Spud, you can have your snow too!   And your -7.  Brrrrr.....   Which goes to show how I have softened since leaving the midwest in the 80s.  Back then, I liked walking on the frozen Mississippi, seeing my breath freeze, and the sense of accomplishment of a shoveled walk and driveway.  Now I just want to keep warm.

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 2, 2015 at 7:53am

Barbara, it sounds like a good plan to buy a car and pay for dirt hauling.

There has been 5 inches of damp snow here in the last 2 weeks.  Shoveling my sidewalk and driveway was not too odious, and I can certainly use the exercise!   My garden appreciates the moisture, and the snow keeps it from freezing too far down.  The temperatures here have been cold.  -7 F (-22C) one night.

Comment by Randall Smith on January 2, 2015 at 7:45am

Don, you can keep your snow--we haven't had any, thankfully. I could, however, use a blanket to cover my strawberries. I didn't get them "strawed" this year. Not sure if it makes any difference anyway.                                                                                     Barbara, so have you bought the car yet? It'll work--certainly ride better than a truck. I love my nectarine tree. The fruit is delicious--and no fuzz! Orange and cherry trees are about the only fruit trees I don't have.  

Comment by Barbara Livingston on January 2, 2015 at 3:48am

Daniel, when you first posted information on bagging fruit trees I thought it was a crazy labor intensive idea seeking 'perfect' fruit. Now I'm sitting here remembering all the nylon curtains I got rid of last year and how handy it would be to have kept them. The people before us knew what they were doing, eh?

I'm going to seminar January 17th on pruning fruit trees and will bring home nectarine and orange trees. I'm eager to see if they mention "training" the trees as you are doing. 

Ordered bunny hutch and will be getting two California bunnies by the end of January. I 'chickened out' - decided they would be too messy in my small space.

Decided against buying an older truck with many miles, opted to buy car with nice cargo area for hauling bags and pay the delivery fee for dirt by the yard.  I think it's called choosing your battles. 

Don, brrrr. Your pic brings back memories of my snow shovelling days.  

Comment by Daniel W on January 1, 2015 at 10:28am

Don, you have a beautiful garden!  Glad it has a chance to rest and recuperate, no weeds to pull, no maintenance needed for a while.  Then, back to happy gardening!

Here today it's an unusual but not unheard of 18 degrees.  We get a few days like this every winter.  Most of the time it's rainy and mild.  I need the gardening break but am anxious for the sap to flow and get out my grafting knife, and anxious for some fruit trees to come in the mail and get out the shovel to plant them.

Comment by Don on January 1, 2015 at 10:11am

My garden, July 30 and December 30.  Seed catalogs are already arriving.  Looking forward to another growing season.

Comment by Randall Smith on January 1, 2015 at 7:15am

It may be a new year starting today, but I'm still eating "last year's" garden goodies. It's mostly frozen or shelved, but still delicious. I can't begin to list them all..

Have a great godless garden in 2015, everybody!

Comment by Daniel W on December 28, 2014 at 5:50pm
Patricia if the guard elk keeps the other animals away Im all for it. Ning wanted a llama for the same purpose. Im favoring a cougar or leopard.
Comment by Daniel W on December 28, 2014 at 5:49pm
Spud thanks for the great video. Deer are my #1 frustration. They can and do take a plum or app,e or pear tree that you have nurtured for 3 years, and eat it to nothingness overnight. Rabbits ate all ofmy onions. According to the book they wont eat onions, but I've had trouble teaching my rabbits to read. i dont mind moles too much but the damn voles are like underground or ground level deer.

Now most of my young trees have a circle of fencing 5 feet high. In a narrow space, my deer dont jump the fence so far. Foe voles, I wrap young trunks with 1/4 inch hardware cloth. Next project is chicken wire boxes on the raised beds for veggies favored by bunnies.

That fence is interesting. I should try that.

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