Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

My Farm Failures - Revealed Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 15. 2 Replies

An Herb Garden for Chickens

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W Aug 1. 1 Reply

Permaculture Chickens Justin Rhodes

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 30. 1 Reply

Using Chickens in a Food Forest

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 17. 15 Replies

Crisis garden annuals

Started by Larry Martin. Last reply by Larry Martin Jul 11. 4 Replies

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Comment by Daniel W on January 31, 2014 at 3:42pm

Beautiful frozen evergreens!

I don't know about the plastic vs. clay pots.  Things seem to do so well in plastic pots.  They need good drainage.

I think there have been studies showing either can work.

The biggest negative for me with nursery pots is they are black plastic, and absorb the sun's heat.  That can really overheat the soil.  The positive is I have lots sitting around, so they are free.  Also, lightweight.  Easy to get plants out of them, they usually just slide out with minimal root damage. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 31, 2014 at 3:34pm

That Ice Fog does make things look attractive, as do all forms of frozen H2O.  Wikipedia says it's called pogonip in the western US.  I've never heard that word.

Freezing fog happens at 32 F or below, Ice Fog or Frozen Fog happens at negative 20 F or below.  Usually negative 30 F or below.

Frog sounds like what it should be called : )

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2014 at 2:38pm

Daniel, I like your idea of lining clay pots with plastic. One of the reasons I like clay is that the roots have access to air that plastic prevents. It comes at a cost, however, in that clay dries out very fast so there has to be a source of water constantly or frequently replacing the evaporated water. A task that I don't like, so, automatic watering with timed supply works. It does require equipment and maintenance. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2014 at 2:33pm

Spud, you can get in-line-filters for hard water. Whether they work or not, I can't tell you. I use filters at each faucet; I have had mine for probably 15 years and the only way they break is if I leave them undrained when an unexpected freeze comes along. So, I got into the habit of taking them all off on Oct 1 week. 

Rain Bird has a system similar to what I use, so you can get an idea of what to look for. Any good garden supply place has them. I think I paid around $10 each when I bought mine and I use it as a pressure regulator, and mine has the ability to distribute fertilizer through the system without clogging.

With a drip system, you have to be very careful to keep the water pressure correct or you will blow out the hoses very fast. I have had all my soaker hoses for more than 10 years, and though expensive to begin with, and needing repairs on occasion because of accidentally slicing them with a shovel or trowel, or a blow out, they are very easy to repair. I keep a box of parts handy and the tools needed in it so I have everything handy when I need it and don't have to figure out where the right tools are. 

Here is a Rain Bird system:


Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2014 at 2:19pm

We have had about two weeks of weather inversion, low hanging fog, freezing temperatures, the trees and everything covered with a very light layer of fallen frozen fog. There must be a name for that!

Frog? Fozen? fozenfal? Anyway, it was beautiful, but not enough snow for our needed winter pack. We are about 20% low this winter and next summer may suffer the effects. 

Today, fozenfal lifted, sunlight streams, and this is the view out my daughter's dining room window in the forest of NE WA state. 

Comment by Daniel W on January 31, 2014 at 12:46pm

If there is a surplus of large clay pots, maybe lining them with plastic would help with water conservation? I've been doing that with wooden containers. I use the tough woven plastic from big dog food bags. Other plastic would work equally well. I line the sides and part of the bottom, leaving opening for drainage.

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 31, 2014 at 12:41pm

I overestimated how large the cheap containers were.  When I stretched-out my hands to the diameter I remember them being, and measured between my hands, it was more like 2.5 feet instead of 3-4.

I liked the $17 one because it had double-wall construction which would help it moderate the temperature.

If I use one of my plastic trash cans or containers, I'll insulate them.

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 31, 2014 at 12:36pm

Joan, I love the look of moss.  If I ever use clay pots, I'll try the buttermilk.

I've never tried drip irrigation, even though it sounds like a great idea, because I thought the heads would clog-up too easily with my very hard water.  Do they?

Comment by Joan Denoo on January 31, 2014 at 12:28pm

I love plain old clay pots, they have a pretty patina with age, and if I soak them in buttermilk, I get a very nice moss that is pleasing to my eye and senses. Problem, they dry out very fast. The only way I find to manage that is to have them on pot drip lines. So I line up my little and big pots, string the line across them and install drip heads. I put the system on a timer so I don't have to tend to them at all, except to keep everything working as it should. 

The same principle applies to any kind of pot material. If you discover the pots get too hot, or need more heat, you can move pots easily and restring the water supply. 

Using concrete blocks is a good idea for all the reasons noted. Potatoes are heavy feeders, so keep that fertilizer coming. Preferably steer manure, but any natural manure works; the plants don't care from where their food comes, they just like food, regularly ... not too much, not too little. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on January 31, 2014 at 10:12am

I do like your idea of using stacked concrete blocks for growing potatoes, because you can take them down once piece at a time for harvesting, and put them back together.


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