Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Daniel W on September 2, 2013 at 9:33pm

From today.

Looks like there will be a couple of melons after all. And a taste of okra. I'm happy about that.

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 2, 2013 at 5:14pm

Joan, sorry about your blueberry bushes. I started to think about blueberries again when I read a study that said blueberries, apples, and some other fruit were connected to improvements to diabetes and weight loss.

Are you through with anti-cancer treatments now?  Is your hair starting to grow back?

Lots of opinions about rain-water vs tap water.  One disadvantage of rain is it's acidity.  For me, that sounds like an advantage.  Most things I grow like an acid soil, not the alkaline stuff I have before treatment.

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 2, 2013 at 4:56pm

Rain water versus city water for health of plants

Some interesting information here. 

"municipal system may be treated with chlorine and possibly floride (some are not), and many people think those things are harmful to plants, but rainwater contains things such as Sulfur Dioxide and many other potentially hazardous substances, acid rain ..."


The biggest difference between rain water and tap water, besides the chlorine is the hardness. Rain water is soft water. Well water is hard water. Some tap water is hard, some is soft depending upon where you live,t he source of the water and type of treatment."

"Rain water is naturally soft and has no chlorine so yes its good for the plants."

and more. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on September 2, 2013 at 4:32pm

So far, I measure one inch or rain today.  I'm filling lots of containers because there's no guarantee that there will be enough rain for my garden for the rest of the season.

Rain-water is better for my plants than the alkaline city water, and I think there are two other bonuses.  One is that rain-water isn't very hard like the city water, and I assume hard water deposits covering the leaves isn't good.  I have lots of soaker-hoses, all in parallel, but despite that, the sump-pump I use to water with takes hours to put-down an inch.  It's just not designed for that much resistance.  That's why I often get the hand-help sprinkler out & use it.

The other good thing about rain water is no Chlorine.  I assume chlorine is detrimental to the little critters that help the soil, as it kills bacteria.  However, I've not yet found any studies to indicate that's true.  Have any of you?

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 2, 2013 at 2:23pm

Spud, my blueberry bushes suffered this year as well because my soaker system failed in that particular bed and I was too sick/lazy to discover the problem until the bushes died back. Once I got some energy back, I checked my different beds with a moisture measure and discovered where my systems failed. It will be easy to repair next spring and in the meantime I am using hoses to soak the soils in vulnerable places. 

There were no blossoms this year, it seems, so my problem started early in the season and I didn't notice until too late for blueberries. Because this fruit is high on the list for good foods for recovery, I bought juice and some berries at the farmer's market. A nice backup. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on September 2, 2013 at 2:16pm
Heavy rains today and the rest of the week. Everything is so pretty and in full growth ready to ripen seeds that I gather for my daughter's forest garden. Mine are all perennials, some regenerate from seeds, so she will have a garden that doesn't need to be replanted. She has several of my grandmothers' peonies and iris,
Comment by Idaho Spud on September 2, 2013 at 9:07am

Randall, I tried growing them many years ago and they all died.  I know more now, so if I get some land, I may try again.

My biggest concern in their taste, now that my taste buds and smell sensors are 72 years old, a lot of things I used to like taste bland now.  That's true of all the store-bought blueberries I've tried in the last quite a few years.  I'm sure fresh-picked ripe ones taste much better.  Just don't know how much.

Comment by Randall Smith on September 2, 2013 at 8:11am

Oh, the curse of growing (attempting to) blueberry plants! Let's see, just in past two years, I've planted 15 bushes (so-called). They've come from "over the internet", greenhouses, and Rural King. Small, large, cheap, expensive, potted, bare root, etc. Results? Two are still alive, one sickly looking. I've "acidified" the soil, watered, caged, weeded, and mothered (ok, fathered)  them. If these two don't make it, it's finisio--I'm done. I say good luck, Spud!!

Comment by Daniel W on August 30, 2013 at 9:10am

Spud, my experience with blueberries is mixed.  They usually do well here because the soil is acid.  This year I did not water the new plants enough and they dried out.  Plus deer or rabbits or other varmints ate off a lot of the new growth.  I have a big blueberry bush, about 8 feet tall.  That one does well. 

When very ripe the flavor is mild.  I need a bird net for that.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 30, 2013 at 7:11am

Sentient, you grow blueberries, correct?  How did you start them, and how do you care for them.  I understand they require a very acidic soil.  

Also, are yours mild flavored?


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