Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

The Top 10 Things To Do In Your Garden This Fall

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Daniel W 22 hours ago. 16 Replies

The Hen in Winter

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by k.h. ky Aug 18. 11 Replies

Soil: regenerative land management

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Aug 10. 11 Replies

Compact Bed Geometry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner Jul 29. 0 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 21. 3 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Jul 18. 1 Reply

To cure your garlic

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Jul 16. 1 Reply

Harvesting vegetables

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jul 9. 4 Replies

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Comment by Annie Thomas on May 27, 2013 at 9:57am

Randall!  Those rabbits are onto you. I have a fenced-in garden this year... just three feet high.  It has eliminated the rabbit problem, but the squirrels and birds sometimes make a visit.  I have a plastic owl with a bobble head that may or may not be doing anything. ;-)

Joan- the bottle is amazing!  When I used to teach science, I would have the children collect soil and plants from the woods behind the school and we would make terrariums in 2L bottles with the tops cut off.  We would then water and cover with saran wrap that was secured by a rubber band.  They would survive for several years, only drying up if the rubber band became brittle and popped off.  We would even occasionally observe insects flying around inside... years after we made them. It was a wonderful model of the water cycle too, as the water would condensate on the top or the sides of the bottle and then "rain" down again onto the plants.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 27, 2013 at 9:43am

I should have said a gable frame for the roof, which she covered with chicken wire as well. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 27, 2013 at 9:41am

A friend of mine built a frame shed, about the size of a garage, with gable roof, and wrapped it all with chicken wire, installed a door frame and grows their veggies and flowers in there. That was the only way they could stop critters from getting everything. Wire over the top prevented birds from snacking. It looked a little like this:

She had raised beds inside with pebble paths and surrounded it with concrete blocks to prevent rabbits from digging under. It looked similar to this:

Comment by Randall Smith on May 27, 2013 at 8:15am

Joan: That ecosystem in a bottle is amazing!

Annie: I bought 3 cauliflower and 3 Brussels sprouts ($4 total). They lasted less than 24 hours! As Elmer Fudd would say, "wascally wabbits!"  I cover them at night, but my rabbits must be diurnal. I'm making more cages today--then go buy more.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 26, 2013 at 1:24am

"This maybe perhaps the smallest oldest surviving ecosystem in the world. A garden in a bottle, planted by David Latimer in 1960 was last watered in the year 1972 before it was tightly sealed. David Latimer, 80, from Cranleigh in Surrey wanted to experiment how long the ecosystem will survive and to everybody’s amazement the little world is still thriving entirely on recycled air, nutrients and water.

"The only external thing fed to this bottled-garden was light without which there would be no energy for plants inside to create their own food and continue to grow. Other than that this is an entirely self-sufficient ecosystem, with the plant and bacteria in the soil working together.
it's INature

Comment by Daniel W on May 24, 2013 at 10:18pm

Annie, my parents had those colorful aluminum glasses.  The metal is very cold from the ice.  Much colder than glass.  They were special.

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 24, 2013 at 8:48pm

I get my worms, lady bugs and lacewings by mail order. I think Gardens Alive has them. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 24, 2013 at 8:47pm

Annie, I forgot to mention give them a spray with water from a hose, and keep them washed off. That doesn't get rid of them but it does get them away from the leaves and buds until they climb back on. The trick is to get those sucking bugs to stop laying eggs.  Washing won't do that job. 

I am so happy to learn you have a gardening friend close by and you will have all these tricks figured out in no time. 

Your memories of your great aunt with kitchen garden and chicken coop, her canning and storing crops for winter and a hand pump for water and corn cob stove delight me. Those memories are so different from the memories modern children learn. A wallpapered outhouse says a lot about her character and values. It is not possible to get fried chicken to taste as good on electric or gas, they are different, good, but different. 

What a pleasure to have you on this site. 

Comment by Annie Thomas on May 24, 2013 at 7:27pm

Thanks Joan.  I appreciate the suggestions.  I am enjoying the process of learning how to deal with all of the problems.  I tried to purchase lady bugs, but there was no place in town and the aphid eruption was so pressing that I couldn't wait.  The product I used (organocide) did not bother the few ladybugs that naturally found the bounty of aphids on my tomatoes.  My friend who writes a local gardening column in the paper also recommended I be proactive next year.

My best memories of gardening was going to my great Aunt Vic's farm in Illinois.  She grew corn mostly, but also had a kitchen garden and chicken coop.  The canned all of her own vegetables for the winter and kept them in the storm cellar underneath the pump house.  Yes, she used a pump in and out of the house for water, had an outhouse that she wallpapered inside (!) and cooked the best fried chicken on a corn cob stove.  She lived to be 97, even though she served iced tea in those colorful aluminum glasses. ;-) 

Comment by Joan Denoo on May 24, 2013 at 5:29pm

Annie, gardening is hard work and it is so much easier to go to the market and get fresh fruits and veggies off the cool green grocer's racks. I can remember my grandmothers and all the hard work they put into their gardens. My mother was the first generation to not grow a garden, although she did for the first 15 years or so of her married life. 

First off, stay away from chemicals that kill off lady bugs and lacewings, and other beneficial. They do a lot of work without you even knowing it. I buy both for my garden every couple of years because they clean up my garden and go next door where they get killed by chemicals. 

Second, There are products available that target the sucking and munching crowd, a good organic catalog will help you find them. If I can't control the evil ones and they kill a tree, shrub or plant, I find a different plant that is not so sensitive to their mischief. So many of my things die, and that is part of being a gardener. Choose your battles.    

As to fungus and powdery mildew ... a miserable beast ... many beasts, prevention is the best procedure. Get the sensitive things early before they take over. I prespray plants before they emerge and if I see any signs of trouble.  

Powdery Mildew Controlling and Preventing Powdery Mildew on Plants

Gardens Alive is my go-to reference for diseases and pests and how to control them naturally. It puts out a big catalog every year with lots of photos and descriptions. I prefer the on-line catalog because I hate to use up all the paper and they accommodate that request. They suggest living Earth plants that are the easiest plants to grow organically, chemicals and how to use them as safely as possible, and natural remedies, such as interplanting with bug chasers.  They are pricey, and you can find the information and go to a good insecticide store and may find cheaper alternatives. 

I use their rose spray, and Plant Guardian Biofungicide, Soap Shield Liquid Copper Fungicide, Pyola Insect Spray and keep these on hand at all times. There are other products from which to choose. Again, find out the ingredient and if you look you can probably find the chemical at a good hardware store. 

By all means, stay away from Ortho. It is a killer of all things beneficial. 

Gardens Alive

Safer Brand Organic Pesticides

Rodale puts out great books, one had formulas to create your own sprays. I couldn't find it in the book section just now, but I suspect you will be able to find one by writing them, or used book stores. Mine is worn out. 

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Gardening is a good exercise in problem solving. There is always something to learn and do. Happy Gardening. 


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