Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


Welcome  backyard hen enthusiasts, worm farmers, beekeepers & composters!

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Plinius on August 16, 2013 at 7:56am

xtians have a way of saying things wrong: I stopped cooking for them because they never thanked me.

Comment by Randall Smith on August 16, 2013 at 7:45am
I've been too busy this week to keep up with you all--family and friends, gardening and golf, jogging (in prep for a 5k run Aug. 24), etc.
Joan, my sister went through the same thing, although less depressed. In the end, it was worth it. She's cancer free. Hang in there.
Daniel, ditto! T'aint easy to garden when not feeling up to par. Cantalopes coming on, watermelons tiny, despite all the rain we've had. Sweet corn incredible! Tomatoes, too.
Spud, I remember that exhilerating feeling of setting myself free from religion--the doubt and guilt of forsaking my Christian upbringing. I went to a church supper the other night (free food), and was sickened by all the piety and "thank you lords". I got out fast!
Patricia, love those cherry tomatoes. I have several varieties, including the "dark chocolate" ones. Tastes like candy! Wish I could share my abundant broc and caul. with you.
Later, everyone.
Comment by Idaho Spud on August 15, 2013 at 1:01pm

Sentient, glad your Rose of Sharon didn't die.  I very much like the white flower with the dark red in the center.

Comment by Daniel W on August 15, 2013 at 10:41am

Spud you contribute immensely to the conversation here.  I am so  glad you are here!


I wish I was more lazy.  You and I may have some of the same guilt issues, or anxiety about not accomplishing what we want to accomplish. 


The thing I keep coming back to, over and over, is Ingersoll's statement - as close to a mantra as I have -


Justice is the only worship.
Love is the only priest.
Ignorance is the only slavery.
Happiness is the only good.
The time to be happy is now,
The place to be happy is here,
The way to be happy is to make others so.
Wisdom is the science of happiness

Yesterday I saw that a Rose of Sharon had started blooming.  Last summer I dug it up and moved it to the new country place.  It had a big trunk - probably 6 inches diameter.  A lot of root was lost.  I pruned back a lot of the top to make up for the root loss.  It was very late starting to grow.  I thought I might have killed it.


A few years back, there were some volunteer plants from this shrub, and I kept a couple. One is lost, but here is a flower from the other one. Unfortunately, deer ate the other buds.

I'm always a proponent of growing starts from locally adapted cuttings or seeds when we can - the seedlings give us more genetic diversity and can have some nice surprises.   I like this one and maybe next year I'll fence it to keep hungry deer away.

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 15, 2013 at 10:22am

Sentient, thanks for the "don't worry".  

I can see why you and Joan take it hard not being able to work as hard as usual.  You both sound so ambitious!  As for me, I've always been lazy, so anything I do is an improvement and worthy of a pat on the back.  So, congrats to me!  

But, not looking for compliments.  Smile!

I'm amazed at how ambitious I've been this summer.  Hope I can keep-it up on other things.  I've started getting those stressed-out feelings again now that the soil-modification is complete.  

There are so many things I want to do that I don't know what to do first, and no matter what I do, I feel guilty that I'm not doing one of the other 100 things on the list.

I think religion was part of the reason I always felt guilty, and it's a carry-over from that.  However, since becoming atheist, things have improved dramatically, and guilt is being replaced by the thought that there's not enough time to do everything.

I see that as an improvement, but I'm trying to talk myself into just doing what I enjoy most and not worrying about the rest.

Comment by Daniel W on August 15, 2013 at 9:59am

Joan, Hang in there!  You are so important to me and to the other members here!

Spud don't worry about the derailing.  We are friends. I'm very glad you asked.

I've had this week off from the office.  Still catching up on backlog of work.

Midsummer gardening for me is minimal.  If I had more energy I would construct a couple more raised beds.  It doesn't take that much physical energy.  I just have to do it.  For fall greens and some fast growing bush beans.  About all that's needed now is watering the raised beds and young trees.

Lots of cherry tomatoes now.  I LOVE summer tomatoes.  The big ones are starting to ripen too.  Also a fair crop of strawberries each week.  Picked the last of the mulberries yesterday. 

Each week I move a clump of bearded iris to a raised bed I set aside for them.  Summer is the perfect time, they are dormant and without the rain, there is time for any wounds to seal and keep out rot. 

Spud maybe I should try the same type of melon.  My watermelons will not have a chance to produce.  I think.  The "Minnesota MIdget" cantaloupes have several fruits several inches in diameter.  They might ripen after all.

Thanks for posting everyone and especially Joan.  You all inspire me!

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 15, 2013 at 6:34am

Glad you're still with us Joan.  Hope depression doesn't keep you down.  I know depression personally, and he's a sneaky bugger.

Patricia, thanks for the reply.  I found and read Joan's post yesterday morning.

Sentient, sorry to derail the garden discussions.  A better place to start this thread would have been on "Hang with Friends", but I've not been able to keep-up with all the threads on there, so didn't feel like posting there.

Back to gardening.  I've finished modifying my soil and 3 'melons' are coming along nicely.  Two kinds of watermelon and one Cantaloupe.  Perhaps I'll take pictures today and post them.

Comment by Plinius on August 15, 2013 at 4:15am

Good to hear how well you do, Joan! And I hope these two chemo's don't influence your good mood!

Comment by Joan Denoo on August 15, 2013 at 2:33am

Spud, thanks for the inquiry, I am doing great, and today's four hour chemo is my next to last. The nest day I start the procedures for radiation. I had a week of deep depression that I couldn't shake even with all my tools of stress and anxiety management. Couldn't seem to master the dumps. For me, it was very unexpected, but the chemo doctor assures me it is quite normal. I wasn't feeling victimized, but rather just not used to feeling tired all the time. I was raised to work from wake up to bed time and had to make those adjustments. I am also anemic, so I am meeting with the nutritionist tomorrow to plan a better meal strategy to get my iron back up to normal. Another pill, some changes in diet, and an outstanding medical team and family and friends support teams convince me I am not alone and not a victim. You, my virtual support team, makes a big different to me. 

Comment by Idaho Spud on August 14, 2013 at 5:14pm

I haven't seen any posts anywhere from Joan since Sunday.  Does anyone know how she's doing?


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