Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

Welcome to gardeners, growers of veggies, fruits, flowers, and trees!  


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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

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Comment by Idaho Spud on June 29, 2013 at 6:16pm

7 GALLONS!  What a great harvest!  

Comment by Daniel W on June 29, 2013 at 1:40pm

Randall - 7 GALLON!  Amazing!

Over the past month we've had, maybe, 1 gallon of strawberries.  It's a somewhat new patch, and deer ate the 1st growth of leaves, so I'm happy with that.  The plants were moved from past years' plants in barrels and borders, so not entirely new.

Mulberries - I stand by the tree and eat a handful a couple times a  week.  Young tree so not expecting much. 

Still getting some snow peas.  A couple of bowls a week.  Plenty.  Crispy and sweet - eating a snacks.  These are bigger than most - variety is "Oregon Giant".

Joan - I don't know about sueing those who spray neonicotinoids.  Those are big chem company products.  It's like David sueing Goliath, but without the sling shot and god helping out.

Ladybugs are usually great for aphids.   Organic-spray-wise, there's the soap spray in this link.   I use neem oil - available at big box stores - but the soap spray would be cheaper.    The detergent/oil/vinegar spray in this link might work.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 29, 2013 at 9:30am

Is it feasible for bee keepers to sue those who spray neonicotinoids?

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 29, 2013 at 9:29am

Sentient, so Tanglefoot around trunks keeps aphids from spreading into branches? That works? Dumb me, I didn't know that. Aphids cover my roses and I ordered one package of ladybugs. They have cleared huge numbers of branches and haven't even started on others. I wonder if there is an aphrodisiac for aphids? They are not reproducing fast enough. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 29, 2013 at 9:24am

Randall, You send very welcome news. Please tell us what is different this year from former years. Your 7 gallons of black raspberries fill me with images of cobblers, pies, scones and all manner of delightful bowls of berries topped with yogurt. And a gallon from your red raspberry patch, as well! Mine reveal a promise of good fruit, and they have a very long way to go to  showing any color.


Comment by Randall Smith on June 29, 2013 at 7:00am

My good news is that there appears to be a good many honey and bumble bees in my yard. I'm hoping I may have a good melon and squash crop this year--a rarity.

As an aside, I've already picked 7 gallons (yes, gallons!) of black raspberries (from the wild). Plus a gallon of red (from my own patch). What a difference a year makes.

Comment by Idaho Spud on June 27, 2013 at 3:12pm

50000 bumblebees dead is sad.

Comment by Daniel W on June 27, 2013 at 1:36pm


The local news article, that I saw, pretty much blamed the bumblebee deaths on neonicotinoids - today's answer to DDT as the next class of poisons to create a Silent Spring,,, Silent Summer.... Silent fall.  There was some argument the trees may have been toxic species of Linden, but my question there is, why now and not previous years when they bloomed?   I suspect the insecticides that were recently sprayed to prevent aphids from eating leaves - in this case not harmful to the trees, but they drip honeydew onto the cars.    My answer to cherry aphids is a strip of Tanglefoot around the trunk, hinders aphids and their ant "shepherds" from climbing the trunk.  I don't know if that would work on lindens.

All in all a mess, stupid behavior by poison-happy horticulturalists - but maybe will increase awareness.

Comment by Joan Denoo on June 27, 2013 at 10:57am

50,000 Bumblebees Dead After Neonicotinoid Pesticide Use in Oregon

"an estimated 50,000 bumblebees, likely representing more than 300 colonies, were found dead or dying in a shopping mall parking lot in Wilsonville, OR. Authorities confirmed Friday that the massive bee die-off was caused by the use of a neonicotinoid pesticide, dinotefuran, on nearby trees. Then on Saturday, it was reported by The Oregonian that what could be hundreds of bees were found dead after a similar pesticide use in the neighboring town of Hillsboro."

How are your bees doing? 

Comment by Daniel W on June 27, 2013 at 10:05am

Lovely tree-lined street.  One of my favorite types of tree.  Thank you, Joan!


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