Godless in the garden


Godless in the garden

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If you like to dig in the dirt, plant & prune, grow food & flowers, or sit and watch as someone else does your landscaping, you'll find something here to discuss!

Selected topics, in sort of alphabetical order:
Aging.  Gardening with an older body.
bees.  insectary.  insectsbee gardening. Beneficial insects.  insects drive evolution

Compost.  herecontaminated compost.

Backyard Chickens here. here. here. here.

Edible yard.  here  urban farmfront yards.
Growing Fruits


Fragrance and Scenthere.
Fruit growing.  in a small space, by backyard orchard culture.
Frugal gardening.  labels.

Gardening for future generations.  also permaculture, trees, historic varieties, soil

Hegelkultur here, here, here

Heritage and historic varieties.   heresources

locally grown plants to prevent blight transmission here.

Moon Phase Widget here. Moon phase topic here.

PeppersHot peppers.

Permaculture MollisonFalk  Liu, Joan's IntroTransformation in 90 days, Perm Principles at work. Food forest, Holzer

Potatoes.  here.

Rooftop gardening.  here

Seed starting. starting spring crops.

Scientific Gardening.   The Informed Gardener.  The truth about garden remedies.

Soil and soil building - healthy soil microbes, mycelium, dirt is everything, soil analysissoil pH.


Tomatoes.  Myths and truths

Trees.  Tree tunnels.  Ancient tree planting. Plant commemorative trees

Discussion Forum

Compact Bed Geometry

Started by Ruth Anthony-Gardner on Wednesday. 0 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jul 21. 3 Replies


Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Plinius Jul 18. 1 Reply

To cure your garlic

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Randall Smith Jul 16. 1 Reply

Harvesting vegetables

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Idaho Spud Jul 9. 4 Replies

The Hen in Winter

Started by Daniel W. Last reply by k.h. ky Jul 4. 10 Replies

Fruit Pests: Apricot

Started by Joan Denoo. Last reply by Joan Denoo Jun 28. 3 Replies

Sentient Biped's Garden Blog. Happy to add a different feed if there are suggestions.

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Comment by Joan Denoo on April 19, 2013 at 12:11pm

Daniel, a very helpful report on fruit producers! With the fruits you know do well, and your experimental fruits, you develop a paradise! Some things just are not worth the effort to get decent produce. Is it the birds or fruit insects that produce wormy cherries. I like your idea of keeping them pruned back. I gave up on cherries because I had to use unwelcome chemicals in my garden. By using a fine net, one could keep out the fruit fly. 

"The problem is most likely cherry fruit fly (CFF). CFF overwinters in the ground and emerges about the time that the cherries begin to turn from green to yellow (this depends on the variety, but in our area the fly usually emerges in late May. In order to control the insect you must spray the entire tree with a product that contains spinosad every 7 days from late May through harvest. You will need to check the label of insecticide at local garden stores in order to find an insecticide with this product. This product is made from a fungus and is very safe to humans."

Deschutes County Oregon Extension horticulture insect issues insects stone fruit fruit trees insect pests


(Rhagoletis indifferens {Curran}) and Its Management in the Pacific Northwest United States of America.

"Western Cherry Fruit Fly is native to North America, and has been found in the Pacific Northwest states since the 1940's. This pest lives only on cherry, has a single generation per season. It may emerge from the soil over an eight week period, with peak emergence occurring about the time of harvest. Though they are rarely found in commercial orchards, cherry fruit fly is the primary insect pest of sweet cherries in the region. Quarantine agreements between the region and other states or countries result in a zero tolerance for cherry fruit fly larvae in packed fruit."

Comment by Daniel W on April 19, 2013 at 9:25am

On cherries - I think it's a matter of local climate or microclimate.  I can't grow apricots at all - I've planted 3, and an aprium, and all died after the first fruit bearing year.  Peaches do lousy here due to peach leaf curl disease, which can be controlled by heroic efforts but I am not that heroic.  Cherries do very well here.  I keep the trees pruned back to under 8 feet tall.  I cover with a net to discourage birds.  No worms.  Which is better than I can say for apples here.

The easiest / most productive fruits so far for me are figs, cherries, and various berries.  Some plums do very well, and from the looks of the falling flowers, I'm hoping for a banner year for plums.  Grapes do well here.  I'm trying paw paws, jujubes, and persimmons, but the trees are too small to even call "trees", so we'll see a few years down the road.  Blackberries here are an invasive weed - brambles grow into an impenetrable thicket in a few years, 12 feet tall.  The berries are so tasty.  I'm leaving the thickets in the area around the beehives, they bloom  like crazy and honey bees love them.

Comment by Idaho Spud on April 19, 2013 at 7:56am

Dominic, I like sour fruit also.  I'm going to get another cutting from an excellent tasting (and looking) crab apple tree this spring.  I couldn't get the one from last season to root.  I'll try Sentient's method this year.

Sentient, nice trees & flowers.  The Bleeding Heart brought back some fond memories of living across town in my parent's house.  My mom had the hearts growing right by the front door.  It was a nice view to come home to.

Randall, I'm close to giving-up growing cherries also.  It's almost impossible to keep the fruit fly worms out of them, and they take-up too much room in this small yard.

Comment by Randall Smith on April 19, 2013 at 7:29am

Regarding Dominic's comment: My parents always had a cherry tree. Then so did I. But after it died (split in half), I decided I'd had enough of pitting and freezing cherries (and eating worms). Besides, one can only do so much with them, athough with vanilla yogurt, they're great.

Comment by Dominic Florio on April 18, 2013 at 8:47pm

When I was a kid, growing up in NY, we had a huge cherry tree in our yard, as big as an old oak, with a huge trunk.  They were sweet cherries. I used to eat them right off the tree, until I learned to open them first, because a number of them had worms.

But, I have always been a lover of sour fruit.  On my walks home from school, I knew of a sour cherry tree in two yards.  They both hung over the fence onto the sidewalk.  I would stop and eat some each time I passed them, although one house put up a sign warning that the tree had been sprayed for bugs.  I never believed them and ate from the tree anyway.  I too would have not done well in the garden of Eden.  LOL

Comment by Lillie on April 18, 2013 at 8:30pm

Yes, Dominic, when we are recycled, that is eternity.

Comment by Daniel W on April 18, 2013 at 7:41pm

Dallas, nice plants!

Thought  I would show some of what's blooming here.  I can't do much right now, but I can take photos

Amanogawa flowering cherry.  The honey bees like this one.  It's too young to make enough nectar for a varietal honey.  Sweet scent.

Miniature iris - these bloom really early.  About 6 inches tall.  This is the first in my yard.  Variety is "Cherry garden"

Montmorency Cherry.  Last summer I moved this one to the new place.  Glad it survived.  This is a pie cherry, tart and lots of flavor.

Asian pear, unknown variety.  Yellow, size of apple.  Last year it had one pear.

Bleeding heart.  I planted this due to report of deer and rabbit resistance.

Scilla.  A weed but also deer and rabbit resistant.

For what it's worth, all of these were originally end of season close out sale, or I propagated myself.  The asian pear came with the place.  I'm too cheap to buy them in season.  But they are worth the effort and wait for the following year(s).

Comment by Daniel W on April 15, 2013 at 11:02pm

Fresh oregano is great with root crops, baked with some olive oil.  Potatos, parsnips, carrots.  

I have a small patch of greek oregano.  Herbs are great because they smell so good and bees love them.  I've interplanted them with irises to see if critters will stay away from the irises.  Thyme is also great and stays small.  Roman chamomile seems to stay small.  Mints and lemon balm are pretty invasive - I have them planted around fruit trees.  Almost all herbs attract bees and other beneficial insects.  Most grow easily form cuttings.

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2013 at 10:38pm

The photo is not mine. I Googled oregano and found the photo. 

Comment by Joan Denoo on April 15, 2013 at 10:37pm

You can cut oregano right down to the root, and it will come back leggy and get ugly very fast. I tried several different varieties until I found this dwarf. It wasn't even called dwarf, but that is what it is. Oregano is so tough, you can walk on it and it produces a lovely aroma. Some oregano is invasive and hard to control. 


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